5 wish list items that would improve Zemanta service and their Windows Live Writer plugin |
After the last post on automated related links in posts I mentioned liking the relevancy provided by the Zemanta service and promised to check into the service in greater detail. Bonus: Andraz the Zemanta CTO stopped by in the comment section and answered a few questions which piqued my curiosity further. I like seeing company executives and reps out responding to blog posts, being transparent about their service. Andraz promised more features were on the way as backed up by the active Zemanta GetSatisfaction page. I’m guessing he’ll dig the info in this post for his team which is loaded with wish list items to make Zemanta a killer application.
Important note: the spam category placement is not intended to imply that I think Zemanta in any way spams anybody, rather I’ve noticed their service is being used by some spam blogs and splogs. There are lots of legitimate tools that are being abused/used by spammers, this is not meant to be nor should it be construed as condemnation of the Zemanta service.
I downloaded the Zemanta Windows Live Writer plugin and have been experimenting with using on a few posts at our group blog, VTOReality.com (e.g Anarchy Online 30 day free offer expires December 31, 2008).
There are Zemanta plugins available for self-hosted WordPress, wordpress.com, Blogger and more, but I won’t be covering those here.
What Zemanta does
Think of Zemanta as an almost real time blogging research assistant. On GetSatisfaction they self-describe as:
Contextually relevant suggestions of links, pictures, related content and tags will make your blogging fun again.
Imagine having somebody — or something — that sits beside you while you write posts and presents you with ongoing number of choices for adding external content to your blog posts like: pictures from Flickr, Wikipedia entries, homepage links, links to related stories around the web, company info, map locations and more.
Above you’ll see a picture of what it’s like working in Windows Live Writer with the Zemanta pane in Windows Live Writer active in the middle. Along the right is a full-size screenshot of only the Zemanta pane.
Wish list #1: Allow width resizing of Zemanta pane in Windows Live Writer.
The Zemanta pane is either open or closed by clicking on the two right arrows (<< and >> respectively). When writing I tend to want as much space as possible, but found that I liked the idea of having this pane open a little bit. This brings me to my next wishlist item.
Wish list #2: let users customize what sources and types show in the Zemanta pane
For example, maybe I only want to see pictures from Flickr. And maybe only pictures licensed for commercial use. There is a Zemanta filter option but it’s not clear how to use that to only retrieve commercial licensed ok pictures. If that is possible, then please somebody tell me how? Most of the plugins I’ve seen for showing related pictures don’t include this very important option. This blog has advertisements, turns a profit, and thus is considered commercial use by many TOS so a tool that shows me non-commercial licensed images is useless here.
Also maybe I don’t ever want to see links by Wikipedia or links to posts made by resources I already use or feel are too common. Then there are certain times I want to see only related content from sources in my OPML list.
Wish list #3: increase number of sources from 160 to 500+ and include feature to allow to only draw from these sources
Lightbulb flashes went off in my head when I learned you could add your own list of sources, but was quickly disappointed to learn only a maximum of 160 sources are currently allowed. This comes up short for the number of individual sources used at VTOR and the number of current sources which I pull for this blog is over 600 RSS feeds alone, not counting my network of Twitter and Friendfeed contacts. We haven’t even gotten into StumbleUpon, digg or the many other places one can find stuff that encourages them to write a blog post.
I’m not expecting Zemanta to cater to users like Scoble who pulls from tens of thousands sources, but there lies a middle road between that extreme and 160. That’s where I’m at anyway and hazard a guess that plenty of other blog writers fit this demographic. Please let me know otherwise in the comments if you have less than 160 sources including Twitter, Friendfeed. I doubt many do that are blogging regularly these days.
As I’m writing this it occurred to me one could create a plugin mashup using the Y! context checker and provide those results from their own sources checked say once every few minutes or so. This would give the ability to draw from a specific source list much greater than 160. A toggle could be used for pictures or external articles giving very similar functionality to Zemanta. I wonder if some enterprising developer has already done the lifting here?
Wish list #4: Fix Windows Live Writer (WLW) plugin stability issues and allow easy disabling/removing of WLW plugin
If this wishlist were in order of importance, this would be #1. During the writing of this post with the Zemanta plugin activated, WLW crashed multiple times. Before activating the Zemanta plugin, I rarely encountered WLW crashes like this so I’m led to believe Zemanta was the culprit. Indeed, I exited the Zemanta plugin and finished the rest of this post and it never crashed again. Here are the errors received:
Obviously the worst kind of blog helper imaginable would be one that came and shut you down in the middle of writing something.
Fortunately during each crash I could save before the application needed to be restarted and my work-in-progress was safe. This is where Zemanta as my blog assistant got fired. I tried to disable the plugin in WLW. When restarting after the plugin being disabled it still starts up in the middle pane. Huh? This needs to be fixed ASAP. When something is marked as disabled it should not fire upon application restart. I exited again and uninstalled from add/remove programs in Windows. I saw a complaint on GetSatisfaction that another user had to use RevoUninstaller (freeware) to purge the Zemanta installation files completely. This type of once we’re installed we don’t leave on uninstall behavior is totally unacceptable and borderline adware tactic. Fix this now.
Wish list #5: scrap the Terms of Service requirement to use the Zemanta reblog image service link and allow something more (better) customized1
I don’t see myself using Zemanta on this blog for the other wishlist items mentioned but the Zemanta TOS requiring me to use their button in every post that I use anything showing in their interface is a big reason to say thanks but no thanks. I wonder how many are using Zemanta to find related content and get angles are skipping fulfilling the TOS requirement which clearly says this is not optional.
Here’s the Terms of Service quote, Zemanta users2:
- Service Description. When deploying or utilizing Zemanta derived content on your site or within your application, you agree to display the Zemanta Icon logo.
- Service Icon/Logo Display. When deploying or utilizing Zemanta derived content, you agree not to make any changes to the shape and size of the Zemanta logo, or other Zemanta created content
- Service User Interface Display. When a reader clicks on the Zemanta icon logo you agree to hyperlink that logo directly to our home page at http://www.zemanta.com, or other appropriate page within our site.
NOTE: even though Zemanta screenshots are shown in this post and the review is about the service absolutely no links or content was used from the interface, so you won’t see that image link here as required by the TOS. In fact during the writing of this post I uninstalled the plugin as mentioned above.
Zemanta, just get rid of the TOS requirement altogether. Credit link in a blog post like this should be more than sufficient as a site-wide mention of the service. This post will be spidered by Google and will remain as long as this site — or your service — is live. There is no reason for me to promote Zemanta in every single post where Zemanta was somewhat helpful. That would be the equivalent of mentioning a human blog assistant’s name in every post even when it’s not relevant. It starts to feel kind of spammy to me, which leads to another concern I had about Zemanta. And one that I voiced to their CTO in the comments about my familiarity with their service to date.
I’ve noticed a considerable number of sites using posts from this blog as related links on very spammy/sploggy blogs and trackbacking in from those posts. This just sullies the Zemanta brand. It also could lead to search engines punishing these unrelated, forced Zemanta links someday. The lines between paying somebody to put up a link without rel=nofollow and bartering for the link (which is what Zemanta is doing) are fuzzy, IMO. I’m not saying that Zemanta is spamming anybody or is a haven for spammers nor that they can control whether or not spammers are using their services, but it’s an issue worth mentioning.
Andraz pointed out in the comments that these brand name companies are using Zemanta: Real Networks official blog, HP Marketing Blogs, Chris Brogan, some start-up CEOs, Geekdad blog at Wired.com, etc.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s not that I want to deprive Zemanta any credit for being a blog helper — links here and there where relevant are fine, just not in every single post. Adding to that I strongly dislike where these links point to: the Zemanta reblogging web interface.
This thing is an eyesore from a design and usability standpoint.
Not sure if it’s the hard to read text (writers need their eyes!) or the fact that we’re being sandwiched into a dual pane and then being asked to give Zemanta our blog login credentials. It’s all around fail to me from a blog owner perspective. Why should I send other bloggers off to use that? Most bloggers already have their own blog interface they are happy using. At the very least give me the ability to customize what that link does and/or provide the interface directly on this blog at least. It would be awesome if Zemanta would allow Zemanta registered users to redirect that link to their blog interface of choice: e.g launch windows live writer with that text highlighted or Firefox plugin and so on.
Zemanta still the most useful that I’ve seen in this class of tools
Despite Zemanta’s shortcomings mentioned in this Hmm Review, it is the best I’ve seen/used to date at what it does. Much better and contextually related than Sphere. If Zemanta fills the wishlist items mentioned here, I’d strongly recommend this tool to blogging friends and probably use more myself. As it stands now, the Windows Live Writer plugin needs too much work to be added to my workflow. Might be worth reviewing the other plugin options to see if they are better. As always, I invite you to agree or disagree below. Grade: C+
- 12/04/2008 07:03 AM PST: Zemanta CTO Andraz points to FAQ page which states: “You are under no obligation to keep it and can remove it if you wish. You can change its style from Preferences while using Zemanta or even choose to hide it.” [↩]
- 12/04/2008 07:07 AM PST: Zemanta CTO Andraz points out that the TOS needs to be and will be updated in the comments to reflect the change that the image can be removed. As of this update the TOS presented still does not reflect this change. [↩]
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Hi TDavid,
thanks for review, we are definitely working on the areas that you describe as problematic.
Actually some of the issues don’t really exist - for example you can toggle “My stuff” and you will only get recommendations from your list of feeds and from your own flickr account.
About rising the limit above 160 feeds. We understand your pain however we don’t have unlimited resources, and since the service is completely free, some limits have to be there. We’ll see if we can find a way to satisfy your wish in near future.
About TOS, it’s actually a glitch - we haven’t had time to revise it since the first version. Already in the summer we added the possibility of hiding it, that you can turn on in the preferences. Our FAQ also explicitly tells a user is allowed to delete the image. But yeah, we need to do a refresh of the TOS too.
About WLW crushes: are they reproducible (does any set of actions always lead to a crush - knowing them would help immensely)? We’ll definitely try to look at them and fix that ASAP.
The only thing that I know we won’t be solving in near future is the “resizable pane width”.
Thank you again for this extensive review. It really helps if users take time and tell us what they miss and want from Zemanta! We’ll try to do our best - hopefully most of the issues will be done away with soon.
bye
Andraz Tori, Zemanta
Comment by Andraz Tori — December 3, 2008 @ 1:54 pm PST
Hi Andraz - happy to continue the dialog. Let me see if I can answer your questions/comments. All quotes are from your post above.
“…for example you can toggle “My stuff” and you will only get recommendations from your list of feeds and from your own flickr account.”
Where in the pref.zemanta does it allow this? I was able to upload OPML, add a few Twitter contacts. You can look over my account, it’s my same name (and I corrected your post, my name is TDavid not without the ‘T’) When logged in I didn’t see this as an option? Or is this a setting in the WLW plugin somewhere (that was uninstalled)?
“About rising the limit above 160 feeds. We understand your pain however we don’t have unlimited resources, and since the service is completely free, some limits have to be there.”
Ahh but this could be a good revenue OPPORTUNITY for Zemanta. You could always do a paid version that allows going above the 160 feeds and perhaps some other goodies. Sorry, that 160 limit is too feeble to be real world useful as an every day tool for me and I’m sure plenty of other bloggers. I would strongly consider paying if I could pull in 1,000+ handpicked sources. At the very least you guys have to go to 500.
“About WLW crushes: are they reproducible (does any set of actions always lead to a crush - knowing them would help immensely)? We’ll definitely try to look at them and fix that ASAP.”
I don’t remember doing anything specific. A lot of copy/paste perhaps triggers it? I tend to move in and out of view modes a lot (from normal to html code view mostly) when writing a post. Beyond that I’m not going to reinstall and try to reproduce the problem. Somebody on your payroll is welcome to work though that, as I do enough of that stuff in my own programming biz
“The only thing that I know we won’t be solving in near future is the “resizable pane width”.”
Why not? I’d have to look at the WLW SDK specs, but is this not a simple setting adjustment to allow user window pane resizing? Or is this not exposed by the SDK? Confused by your somewhat adamant stance here.
Comment by TDavid — December 3, 2008 @ 5:30 pm PST
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Andraz - have updated original post with footnotes referencing your comment #1 about the TOS needing to be updated and that the image link is not required per your FAQ.
Comment by TDavid — December 4, 2008 @ 7:14 am PST
Great review, TD! I expect that this kind of tool could really improve the blogging experience if they get it right. Keep us updated as you hear back from them, please.
Comment by Sterling Camden — December 4, 2008 @ 12:53 pm PST
Thanks Sterling. Check this out: here they get a C+ grade and yet are promoting it to all Zemanta users on their Most Popular page.
Ok, I’ve reinstalled the WLW plugin, Andraz. I’ll give this another run-through and see if I can detect a pattern in the crashes (despite what I said in comment #2). Seems like you are more than meeting me halfway here which is much appreciated.
Comment by TDavid — December 4, 2008 @ 1:36 pm PST
Great plugin but my core2duo cpu maxes out if I am writing for a long time on live writer with Zemanta enabled. I dont know what its doing because its not updating but Id say i cant write 3 posts without it dulling down my Live writer until the point my letters are coming in way after I type them. If I do need to use Zemanta I only enable it at the end of my writing. Yes its one of the better plugins, but I learned some things from this post that make alot of sense concerning zemanta. Thank you…. and I was first to rate. :p I hate that NO one rates posts anymore.
Comment by LIP — December 4, 2008 @ 1:37 pm PST
OK, I rated it (guess my number)
Comment by Sterling Camden — December 4, 2008 @ 1:44 pm PST
No offense to Andraz, but from a legal standpoint? Regardless of who he is and where he stands with the company or product…. if the current TOS stands with don’t do it, then the FAQ would actually violate their own TOS. TOS is a legal document, not the FAQ and thus can be chased down as such. Personal feelings is that I wouldn’t touch something based on anyone’s word. I can face consequences for violating legal documentation, but someone’s word is… just that.
There’s a lot of good that could come of this. I’d be curious as to how this works out to be free and what the business model is. It’s great and all to have free products, but if money isn’t made somewhere… you have to wonder what is being given up by the content provision. Is there ad involvement somewhere? Always good to know how a company makes their money when the product is free. In any case… I’ll let you test it more, TD. I’m glad I run a Mac and don’t have to deal with bad uninstalls. Does the plugin even support Shiretoko? I don’t think it does, but I haven’t bothered to try it.
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Hi!
We are still trying to sort out the performance issues with WLW. Zemanta plugin GUI is powered by IE browser engine inside WLW. One of the issues is that Internet Explorer 7 is pretty slow at executing java script. If it is possible for you to install Internet Explorer 8 (which is better at java script) our plugin will run much faster in WLW.
TDavid - any more information on WLW crashes would be greatly appreciated. From the screenshots I see you are(were) using WLW version 12. We had a big crash issue in that version but that was fixed in the latest plugin version release (released at the end of October). Do you remember, did you always have the latest update of out plugin?
I think that if you instal the latest WLW (version 14) and Zemanta plugin those crashed shouldn’t appear any more.
Regards, Domen
Live Writer plugin developer
Comment by Domen Grabec — December 9, 2008 @ 5:36 am PST
Hi Domen - thanks for update. Thought maybe Andraz had flown the coup but seems instead he passed off the ball.
I was already using IE8 and still am using IE 8 Beta 2 version 8.0.6001.18241co. Will check for new versions of WLW plugin and IE8 but don’t think there is a newer IE8 version. Will try new version of WLW plugin and see how that goes.
Comment by TDavid — December 9, 2008 @ 12:08 pm PST
Hi,
Domen is our main Windows guy. He wrote our whole Live Writer integration (a lot of ingenious engineering was needed for Zemanta to be able to behave in a way we wanted, since WLW plug-in infrastructure is a bit limited.)
So I think it is smartest if he talks directly to you and gets the info he needs to analyze the problem.
bye
Andraz Tori, Zemanta
Comment by Anrdaz Tori — December 9, 2008 @ 1:41 pm PST
Hi TDavid!
If you haven’t already installed a new version of Zemanta WLW plugin could you check something for me please? (we had some stability issue in one of our plugin versions and I would really like to know if you had the release that was more stable)
Could you go into windows registry (Start -> run… -> type: “regedit” + ENTER)
and check the value of this key: “My Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Zemanta\LiveWriter\currVer”
thanks in advance
Regards, Domen
Comment by Domen Grabec — December 21, 2008 @ 1:42 pm PST