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		<title>By: Credit score up 38 points 232 days after canceling credit cards &#187; Make You Go Hmm</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20070621/4588/#comment-721387</link>
		<author>Credit score up 38 points 232 days after canceling credit cards &#187; Make You Go Hmm</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 15:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] we started an experiment to cancel all our credit cards 232 days ago several people warned that this could negatively impact our FICO credit scores. This [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] we started an experiment to cancel all our credit cards 232 days ago several people warned that this could negatively impact our FICO credit scores. This [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20070621/4588/#comment-709921</link>
		<author>Steve</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Credit cards are the worse form of credit. A wise choice to ditch them, iv lived without mine for 3 years now and I don't miss them one bit.....Although a lot of the ATM's in the UK charge a higher rate than some of the credit cards so it makes you wander if it would be cheaper to just pay by card!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Credit cards are the worse form of credit. A wise choice to ditch them, iv lived without mine for 3 years now and I don&#8217;t miss them one bit&#8230;..Although a lot of the ATM&#8217;s in the UK charge a higher rate than some of the credit cards so it makes you wander if it would be cheaper to just pay by card!</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20070621/4588/#comment-672762</link>
		<author>Ivan</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20070621/4588/#comment-672762</guid>
		<description>I've never been a fan of the credit cards. Personally, I use them only for Internet purchases of virtual goods since I have not any other choice in this case. I suppose it should not be very hard to stop using credit cards having in mind that the people from the majority of countries in the world still do not use them. But then again, maybe it won't be so easy for people that have used them since forever practically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never been a fan of the credit cards. Personally, I use them only for Internet purchases of virtual goods since I have not any other choice in this case. I suppose it should not be very hard to stop using credit cards having in mind that the people from the majority of countries in the world still do not use them. But then again, maybe it won&#8217;t be so easy for people that have used them since forever practically.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20070621/4588/#comment-671128</link>
		<author>Kevin</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never use a credit card. I do have a debit card, but will never purchase something with money that I don't have in the bank.
If I want a new toy really bad, I have to wait and save up for it. It's a pretty simple way to live, and keeps me out of trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never use a credit card. I do have a debit card, but will never purchase something with money that I don&#8217;t have in the bank.<br />
If I want a new toy really bad, I have to wait and save up for it. It&#8217;s a pretty simple way to live, and keeps me out of trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Tavid</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20070621/4588/#comment-630092</link>
		<author>Tavid</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20070621/4588/#comment-630092</guid>
		<description>I was also recently given the "priviledge" of an upgrade to a World card.   My experience however, was not positive, in that I told the customer service professional that I did not want the upgrade.   Even though I HAD NOT ACTIVATED THE NEW CARD, the cold voice on the other end stated I did not have a choice.   I then went up the ladder so to speak, finally getting a supervisor who stated the same. 

A few weeks later, I received a notice in the mail stating my request for "downgrade" was denied.  When I called and asked why, the CSR told me that because I had activated the card, I could not downgrade.   I told her that I had activated the World card because I'd previously been told I had no choice.

I'm one of those people who don't carry cash, and pay everything with one card.  Yes, it's a hefty bill, but that includes house, utilities, groceries, gas, etc., so it's a real benefit.

After the way I was treated, I called corporate office, and sent two emails asking why this program was in the place and complaining about the way I was treated.  Of course, no response.

Now, I'm going to cancel the card, because while it's nice to receive benefits, none of us like to be treated like a number.   Or ignored.

On a positive note, my AMEX platnium has been great to work with, and if you spend enough and call, they will waive the annual fees.   Plus, you get to speak to people in the States.  You can actually understand their CSRs!   Pass it along - World card sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was also recently given the &#8220;priviledge&#8221; of an upgrade to a World card.   My experience however, was not positive, in that I told the customer service professional that I did not want the upgrade.   Even though I HAD NOT ACTIVATED THE NEW CARD, the cold voice on the other end stated I did not have a choice.   I then went up the ladder so to speak, finally getting a supervisor who stated the same. </p>
<p>A few weeks later, I received a notice in the mail stating my request for &#8220;downgrade&#8221; was denied.  When I called and asked why, the CSR told me that because I had activated the card, I could not downgrade.   I told her that I had activated the World card because I&#8217;d previously been told I had no choice.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m one of those people who don&#8217;t carry cash, and pay everything with one card.  Yes, it&#8217;s a hefty bill, but that includes house, utilities, groceries, gas, etc., so it&#8217;s a real benefit.</p>
<p>After the way I was treated, I called corporate office, and sent two emails asking why this program was in the place and complaining about the way I was treated.  Of course, no response.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m going to cancel the card, because while it&#8217;s nice to receive benefits, none of us like to be treated like a number.   Or ignored.</p>
<p>On a positive note, my AMEX platnium has been great to work with, and if you spend enough and call, they will waive the annual fees.   Plus, you get to speak to people in the States.  You can actually understand their CSRs!   Pass it along - World card sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Wow 1080p, yowsa! &#187; Make You Go Hmm</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20070621/4588/#comment-604484</link>
		<author>Wow 1080p, yowsa! &#187; Make You Go Hmm</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We also purchased the four year extended warranty ($250) for the TV and a 900 watt UPS tower with surge protector ($179). The total bill with tax ran just under $2,500. None of this went on credit since we&#8217;re still in the midst of our no credit cards experiment. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] We also purchased the four year extended warranty ($250) for the TV and a 900 watt UPS tower with surge protector ($179). The total bill with tax ran just under $2,500. None of this went on credit since we&#8217;re still in the midst of our no credit cards experiment. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20070621/4588/#comment-595626</link>
		<author>Adam</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I respect your decision regarding credit cards but wanted to offer some thoughts on why this might not be a winning idea for everyone.

From my own experience:
- I've earned several free roundtrip airfares to Europe *and* within the U.S. due to my credit card spending (purchase points).  In fact, with my Citibank cards (I recently switched to the Premier Elite), I'm already eligible for a free rt airfare to Europe with no blackout dates after using the cards for about a year and a half.
- American Express reimbursed me in full when a camera I purchased on their card was stolen two months after purchase (Purchase Protection).
- Citibank efficiently protected me when a company I bought a computer from refused to replace a defective system under warranty.
- In the month of May, I was able to enter several popular area museums for free with my Bank of America card.
- When traveling in Australia, showing my HSBC card got me 15% off at several attractions.

I think the key is using cards responsibly.  In the aggregate, I believe, credit card companies screw over consumers by charging horrid interest rates on remaining balances, by charging nasty fees for paying 2 hours late, and so on.  I know, because I've been on the receiving end of this nonsense.  But I cleaned up my act, and now I make credit cards work for *ME* (and I damn well never accidentally forget a bill anymore!) :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respect your decision regarding credit cards but wanted to offer some thoughts on why this might not be a winning idea for everyone.</p>
<p>From my own experience:<br />
- I&#8217;ve earned several free roundtrip airfares to Europe *and* within the U.S. due to my credit card spending (purchase points).  In fact, with my Citibank cards (I recently switched to the Premier Elite), I&#8217;m already eligible for a free rt airfare to Europe with no blackout dates after using the cards for about a year and a half.<br />
- American Express reimbursed me in full when a camera I purchased on their card was stolen two months after purchase (Purchase Protection).<br />
- Citibank efficiently protected me when a company I bought a computer from refused to replace a defective system under warranty.<br />
- In the month of May, I was able to enter several popular area museums for free with my Bank of America card.<br />
- When traveling in Australia, showing my HSBC card got me 15% off at several attractions.</p>
<p>I think the key is using cards responsibly.  In the aggregate, I believe, credit card companies screw over consumers by charging horrid interest rates on remaining balances, by charging nasty fees for paying 2 hours late, and so on.  I know, because I&#8217;ve been on the receiving end of this nonsense.  But I cleaned up my act, and now I make credit cards work for *ME* (and I damn well never accidentally forget a bill anymore!) :).</p>
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		<title>By: TDavid</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20070621/4588/#comment-595135</link>
		<author>TDavid</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maurice - see paragraph 3 in post: "One thing we’re going to miss is the chargeback protection credit cards provide."

Definitely well aware of those protections and that's a value that non credit cards don't have. Also intrigued by the dividends prospect you guys have mentioned. We receive money back when we shop at places like Fred Meyer, Best Buy and Costco already through their Rewards clubs but other than frequent flyer miles, none of our credit cards ever paid back dividends. We must not have shopped around for the best type credit cards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maurice - see paragraph 3 in post: &#8220;One thing we’re going to miss is the chargeback protection credit cards provide.&#8221;</p>
<p>Definitely well aware of those protections and that&#8217;s a value that non credit cards don&#8217;t have. Also intrigued by the dividends prospect you guys have mentioned. We receive money back when we shop at places like Fred Meyer, Best Buy and Costco already through their Rewards clubs but other than frequent flyer miles, none of our credit cards ever paid back dividends. We must not have shopped around for the best type credit cards.</p>
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		<title>By: Maurice Prather</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20070621/4588/#comment-595133</link>
		<author>Maurice Prather</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20070621/4588/#comment-595133</guid>
		<description>To answer your question: The stat of 40+% savings lock is based on a single livelihood.  At the time, I did eat out everyday and a I rarely cooked at home.  I'm trying to cut back on costs even further by spending more on groceries rather than dining out.

If you are going to explore the option of credit cards vs. debit cards, I would definitely look into the protection clauses.  When I last compared the two (a few years ago), debit cards were not nearly as secure as credit cards (i.e. in the event of a loss, there was little means to reclaim all fraudulent charges).  Credit cards by far had the best consumer protection with minimal financial impact.

Also Rob O. brings out a good point...  I consider dividends as an additional source of income... as small as it may be... both my AMEX and REI Visa cards provide returns each year.  It's nice receiving $200-400 back each year.

Speaking of experiments... I lived without a TV for 3 years (no tv at home, but occasionally watched a college game at friends).  Then Halo forced me to buy a 36" Wega.  I also went nearly a year with no phones (other than the one I had at work) - if you needed to contact me, you had to a) knock on my door, b) send email/IM or c) relay a message via a friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer your question: The stat of 40+% savings lock is based on a single livelihood.  At the time, I did eat out everyday and a I rarely cooked at home.  I&#8217;m trying to cut back on costs even further by spending more on groceries rather than dining out.</p>
<p>If you are going to explore the option of credit cards vs. debit cards, I would definitely look into the protection clauses.  When I last compared the two (a few years ago), debit cards were not nearly as secure as credit cards (i.e. in the event of a loss, there was little means to reclaim all fraudulent charges).  Credit cards by far had the best consumer protection with minimal financial impact.</p>
<p>Also Rob O. brings out a good point&#8230;  I consider dividends as an additional source of income&#8230; as small as it may be&#8230; both my AMEX and REI Visa cards provide returns each year.  It&#8217;s nice receiving $200-400 back each year.</p>
<p>Speaking of experiments&#8230; I lived without a TV for 3 years (no tv at home, but occasionally watched a college game at friends).  Then Halo forced me to buy a 36&#8243; Wega.  I also went nearly a year with no phones (other than the one I had at work) - if you needed to contact me, you had to a) knock on my door, b) send email/IM or c) relay a message via a friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob O.</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20070621/4588/#comment-595100</link>
		<author>Rob O.</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20070621/4588/#comment-595100</guid>
		<description>Ooops, I responded to your previous post before I noticed this one...  Anyway, I'd recommend trying the "zero balance" approach.

Dede &#38; I have, for nearly 10 years, used our Citi Dividend Mastercard for nearly everything.  From gas to groceries to tacos, almost nothing's too small to charge and it all adds up towards cashback dividends points.  But we never, ever carry a balance, so we're not charging anything we couldn't just as well buy with a check or cash.

We do have another dividend-earning card that we switch over to once the Citi Dividends have paid out all for the year that they're gonna, which is a max of $300.  The exception there is that we prefer the Citi card for travelling since it offers better protection and a better foreign currency conversion rates - something we hope to be making use of in Moscow this Summer!  (Keep an eye on our &lt;a href="http://www.2dolphins.com/rajblog.html" title="2Dolphins Russian Adoption Journal"&gt;Russian Adoption Journal&lt;/a&gt; for upcoming news on that!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooops, I responded to your previous post before I noticed this one&#8230;  Anyway, I&#8217;d recommend trying the &#8220;zero balance&#8221; approach.</p>
<p>Dede &amp; I have, for nearly 10 years, used our Citi Dividend Mastercard for nearly everything.  From gas to groceries to tacos, almost nothing&#8217;s too small to charge and it all adds up towards cashback dividends points.  But we never, ever carry a balance, so we&#8217;re not charging anything we couldn&#8217;t just as well buy with a check or cash.</p>
<p>We do have another dividend-earning card that we switch over to once the Citi Dividends have paid out all for the year that they&#8217;re gonna, which is a max of $300.  The exception there is that we prefer the Citi card for travelling since it offers better protection and a better foreign currency conversion rates - something we hope to be making use of in Moscow this Summer!  (Keep an eye on our <a href="http://www.2dolphins.com/rajblog.html" title="2Dolphins Russian Adoption Journal">Russian Adoption Journal</a> for upcoming news on that!)</p>
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