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World of Warcraft on Vista sound-wise is miserable, but graphically there are problems too. Wow is so not, not, not ‘wow’
What strikes me as bizarre is why didn’t the Vista programmers only create one window instance for errors? Instead, when you logout of a WoW session if you have graphic errors like this you’ll be treated to having to click and close a bunch of the same error message windows over and over. And over. Over. Again. Watch the video, you’ll see what I mean.
This is the result of billions of dollars and years of time, effort and manpower? Weak.
Horrific.
Comment by Vince Williams — February 7, 2007 @ 7:16 pm PST
Right, because this is the result of a bunch of programmers saying “Let’s write a loop that pops a message 5000 times”, rather than a driver manufacturer writing drivers that throw 5000 different errors.
Comment by Avner — February 8, 2007 @ 12:21 am PST
The video shows a graphics card crashing, its not a vista bug, you probably have a buggy nvidia or ati display driver, you need to contact them about this, i think you are confused - the pop-up even stated that it was the display driver that stopped
Comment by Justin — February 8, 2007 @ 3:28 am PST
Hey TD.. I found last night that turning off the Vertical Sync in WOWs graphic options fixed the sound options. Weird.. but it worked. Also.. as for the graphics.. check this out…
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/nvidia/pissed-off-gamers-ready-to-sue-nvidia-over-crap-vista-drivers-234718.php
Comment by Paul OFlaherty — February 8, 2007 @ 4:40 am PST
What I’d like to know is, why do hardware manufacturers’ have to come out with another driver when the OS changes. Why isn’t the OS just come with what it needs, or remain backward compatible? This is becoming a real mess. Reminds me a lot of WindowsME.
Comment by Lestat — February 8, 2007 @ 6:42 am PST
@Lestat - if every OS had to remain backwards compatible with every piece of hardware you’d probably be installing Vista from 8 DVDs and it would run as fast as treacle up hill.
It’s too monumental a task for and OS company to create drivers for all the hardware that might possibly run on it. Also, even though the developers of the OS are familiar with the OS code , most only know the code of the section the work on intimately.
The hardware company, however, know their hardware better than the OS developers ever could, and only have to writer drivers that communicate with the OS. That puts them in a far stronger position to write the best drivers.
Comment by Paul OFlaherty — February 8, 2007 @ 7:10 am PST
Paul - thanks for the tip, will definitely try that. Also, not an nVidia driver where this happened in the video shown above. It’s the factory installed Intel Extreme graphics card. However, it happened with the nVidia card too, so it isn’t just nVidia drivers.
I can see if I upgraded Vista having these problems, but this is a brand new machine with Vista Home Premium installed. Total BS.
Comment by TDavid — February 8, 2007 @ 7:11 am PST
Justin - I understand it’s a hardware graphics card issue causing this, but my point is that the OS shouldn’t allow the user to experience the same error message this many times. The OS programmers should trap this kind of behavior is what I’m saying because users shouldn’t ever have to deal with this. Bad programming by the graphics driver people (Intel Extreme) perhaps, but what the user says is WTF, I just dropped $1,000 and this is what Vista does for me?
A single window with an error count and log makes a lot more sense. A smarter OS would identify this happening and capture all the windows into one with a count, understand?
Comment by TDavid — February 8, 2007 @ 7:19 am PST
Paul - “from 8 DVDs and it would run as fast as treacle up hill.” That makes sense.
Don’t OS creators possibly notify hardware companies of whats coming out, and maybe clue them in on some of the changes involved so they can work together? Or is this just a case of the video card manufacturer dropping the ball?
I’m a bit curious about this because I upgraded my Dell laptop to Vista. My touch pad still doesn’t operate since the upgrade.
Comment by Lestat — February 8, 2007 @ 7:19 am PST
@Lestat - yeah they do notify them, and typically get them involved quite early in the development cycle. So for example, when the aplha and early beta testers were doing the closed tests running vista you can be sure that folks such as Nvidia and AMD were involved…
The thing is, that when you upgrade an existing computer to a new OS, the responsibility is actually on YOU to ensure that drivers are available for your hardware before installing the OS.
However when you buy machine with the OS installed then its purchased with the expectation that it works. In this case it’s Gateways or who ever, fault for selling a products advertised as working and it doesn’t.
The issue with the Nvidia thing was that the newer cards were sold as being Direct x 10 compatible and optimized, which they obviously aren’t.
Here’s hoping you find a driver for your touch pad!
Comment by Paul OFlaherty — February 8, 2007 @ 7:47 am PST
finally got around to it. hahahahahaha.
sorry… tear to my eye. at how stupid Vista is.
Comment by darkmoon — February 8, 2007 @ 7:58 am PST
@Justin
The default for Windows Vista is to use it’s own, built-in video drivers… which include nVidia drivers. These drivers are bundled with the OS and come from Microsoft… the nVidia drivers from nVidia.com don’t work (or didn’t the last time I installed Vista’s RTM product). This means that it IS INDEED a Vista/Microsoft problem.
Also, I’ve been running Vista for about a month now (yes, I got the pre-release software and “RTM” = “released to manufacturing” so don’t go thinking I’m using a beta build or anything). When I come back to my PC it constantly alerts me to programs that “stopped working” and gives me an option to “get more info” that just basically says that a program mysteriously quit working (while my computer was idle).
It’s funny when it gives “Host processes for Win32 stopped working” errors and “Task Manager stopped working” (even when it wasn’t open) and “Error reporting stopped working”. Generally you just click “OK” to get back to a working screen, but my question is #1) Why did it stop working and #2) Why are you notifying me now when you didn’t notify me in WinXP and no one complained.
Anyway, Vista is definitely thumbs down for me too. I was hopeful but not any more. In a Vista promo session they (read, Microsoft’s OWN Developers) even stated very bluntly “Vista Breaks Things” in big bold letters on the powerpoint slide show (MSDN Dev Connections in Vegas in November 06). Hilarious!
Comment by ratchet — February 8, 2007 @ 8:09 am PST
[…] Our Vista graphics woes are improving as more driver manufacturers get up to speed with Microsoft’s new OS. Interestingly not all these drivers are being offered through automatic updates. […]
Pingback by More Vista graphic drivers available » Make You Go Hmm — February 26, 2007 @ 9:40 am PST
WOW read tons of blogs and forums about vista’s problem with video cards found out the problem is not only with nvidia, and no one seem to have the solution, so this blog is not to try to find out how to fix the problem any more, (i’m done with that) but it is to find out how I can get my money back for the purchase of vista, if anyone knows please let me know because nothing would make me more happy a t this point than sending back that little green funny box full of problems to this GENIOUSES (well done Microsoft!!!)
Comment by Robert — March 2, 2007 @ 5:40 pm PST
Robert — there is a link to some 300+ drivers listed in this pose (#13):
http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20070226/4275/
Try that and see if they have the driver to cure your misery. My personal take is Microsoft and the graphic card vendors should be ashamed. New launch, long beta period lead-up and this crap on consumers. Grrrr. Good to see that some solutions are starting to appear however.
Comment by TDavid — March 2, 2007 @ 5:54 pm PST