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		<title>By: Why nofollow continues to be against the spirit of the web &#187; Make You Go Hmm</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061213/4045/#comment-414650</link>
		<author>Why nofollow continues to be against the spirit of the web &#187; Make You Go Hmm</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Past Hmm posts about the nofollow attribute December 13, 2006: The FTC and somebody please give me something positive to write about Sony September 28, 2005: Debating what is/isn&#8217;t spam in the comment sections September 26, 2006: TypePad offers tip jar feature, still forcing rel=nofollow on all comments? March 15, 2005: Disabling nofollow in Wordpress 1.5 Jan 22, 2005: Google responds to my nofollow concerns Jan 19, 2005: Treating all commenters like spammers is a slippery slope Jan 15, 2005: No Google juice for nofollow attribute, will this negatively impact legitimate comment activity? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Past Hmm posts about the nofollow attribute December 13, 2006: The FTC and somebody please give me something positive to write about Sony September 28, 2005: Debating what is/isn&#8217;t spam in the comment sections September 26, 2006: TypePad offers tip jar feature, still forcing rel=nofollow on all comments? March 15, 2005: Disabling nofollow in Wordpress 1.5 Jan 22, 2005: Google responds to my nofollow concerns Jan 19, 2005: Treating all commenters like spammers is a slippery slope Jan 15, 2005: No Google juice for nofollow attribute, will this negatively impact legitimate comment activity? [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: One of the 28,000 performancing members sold and Microsoft&#8217;s review laptops &#187; Make You Go Hmm</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061213/4045/#comment-374706</link>
		<author>One of the 28,000 performancing members sold and Microsoft&#8217;s review laptops &#187; Make You Go Hmm</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061213/4045/#comment-374706</guid>
		<description>[...] In the comments area recently VC Dan, a PPP investor, tried to interest me in the PPP service but I remain disturbed that they had to be forced into requiring disclosures that should have been required for all bloggers from the beginning. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] In the comments area recently VC Dan, a PPP investor, tried to interest me in the PPP service but I remain disturbed that they had to be forced into requiring disclosures that should have been required for all bloggers from the beginning. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: TDavid</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061213/4045/#comment-364501</link>
		<author>TDavid</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061213/4045/#comment-364501</guid>
		<description>vaspers - I didn't see anything snide about darkmoon's comments above (looks like he is trying to reason with you, actually) and I can tell you from past discussions with him in the comments area here that he doesn't even seem interested in putting advertisements on his blog. Did you check out his site (sig link)? Sort of answers your "blog whoring" question (#27) with an exclamation mark.

Really, I think darkmoon would be one of the last people I know online to sign up for something like PPP.

&lt;b&gt;As for myself and PPP&lt;/b&gt;: I think after reading back through this thread, reading the specific information VC Dan and others have provided -- thank you to all -- and talking to others outside of this post, I'm going to continue to stay on the sidelines. 

Others might feel comfortable using them but I still don't at this juncture. Maybe I'll learn more that will rekindle my interest later. I wouldn't use them as an advertiser either. I'd rather pay and get honest feedback than engineered commentary for anything our company does. I realize I could buy exactly that at PPP, but there is an odor of other advertisers being able to offer an option to do things I don't agree with at the site and that taints the site for me.

Sorry VC Dan, but this seems to me like a bad investment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vaspers - I didn&#8217;t see anything snide about darkmoon&#8217;s comments above (looks like he is trying to reason with you, actually) and I can tell you from past discussions with him in the comments area here that he doesn&#8217;t even seem interested in putting advertisements on his blog. Did you check out his site (sig link)? Sort of answers your &#8220;blog whoring&#8221; question (#27) with an exclamation mark.</p>
<p>Really, I think darkmoon would be one of the last people I know online to sign up for something like PPP.</p>
<p><b>As for myself and PPP</b>: I think after reading back through this thread, reading the specific information VC Dan and others have provided &#8212; thank you to all &#8212; and talking to others outside of this post, I&#8217;m going to continue to stay on the sidelines. </p>
<p>Others might feel comfortable using them but I still don&#8217;t at this juncture. Maybe I&#8217;ll learn more that will rekindle my interest later. I wouldn&#8217;t use them as an advertiser either. I&#8217;d rather pay and get honest feedback than engineered commentary for anything our company does. I realize I could buy exactly that at PPP, but there is an odor of other advertisers being able to offer an option to do things I don&#8217;t agree with at the site and that taints the site for me.</p>
<p>Sorry VC Dan, but this seems to me like a bad investment.</p>
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		<title>By: vaspers the grate</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061213/4045/#comment-364319</link>
		<author>vaspers the grate</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061213/4045/#comment-364319</guid>
		<description>Here is exactly what is found on that Blogger Blog post. I interpret this as saying "one reason why so many posts are being written about AdSense being dead is because PayPerPost is paying people to blog about it". It also seems like Blogger Blog is contrasting the PayPerPost posts with legit discussion of the AdSense is dead issue. 

From the Blogger Blog post:

[QUOTE]

Why so many Death of AdSense or AdSense is Dead type posts? Here's one reason why.


Bloggers are getting paid for discussing some Death of AdSense book or newsletter by PayPerPost.com. This campaign ran from September 14th to October 14th and apparently paid $10 per post. We have no way of knowing if it is being renewed for another month because and PayPerPost.com now blocks the opportunities page from non-members (we are not a member).

Aside from the ad campaign there is also some genuine discussion taking place. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is exactly what is found on that Blogger Blog post. I interpret this as saying &#8220;one reason why so many posts are being written about AdSense being dead is because PayPerPost is paying people to blog about it&#8221;. It also seems like Blogger Blog is contrasting the PayPerPost posts with legit discussion of the AdSense is dead issue. </p>
<p>From the Blogger Blog post:</p>
<p>[QUOTE]</p>
<p>Why so many Death of AdSense or AdSense is Dead type posts? Here&#8217;s one reason why.</p>
<p>Bloggers are getting paid for discussing some Death of AdSense book or newsletter by PayPerPost.com. This campaign ran from September 14th to October 14th and apparently paid $10 per post. We have no way of knowing if it is being renewed for another month because and PayPerPost.com now blocks the opportunities page from non-members (we are not a member).</p>
<p>Aside from the ad campaign there is also some genuine discussion taking place. </p>
<p>[END QUOTE]</p>
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		<title>By: vaspers the grate</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061213/4045/#comment-364317</link>
		<author>vaspers the grate</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061213/4045/#comment-364317</guid>
		<description>So darkmoon, making snide remarks about others is your form of blogodebate? And are you in favor of making money via blog whoring?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So darkmoon, making snide remarks about others is your form of blogodebate? And are you in favor of making money via blog whoring?</p>
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		<title>By: darkmoon</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061213/4045/#comment-364278</link>
		<author>darkmoon</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061213/4045/#comment-364278</guid>
		<description>I'm guessing you don't read my comments either.  Did I say Blogger's Blog flamed anyone? No.    Let's go back a couple comments since you're having troubles following:

vasper #15. "I need to document this, but I read recently that PayPerPost was paying people to flame AdSense."
tdavid #20. "Ummm, Vaspers that post clearly refers to “Some Adsense book or newsletter” — it doesn’t specifically finger what you wrote in #15: “paying people to flame Adsense.” Paying people to flame a book or newsletter about Adsense is not the same thing as flaming Adsense."
vasper #23. "PayPerPost was (maybe still is?) paying people to flame AdSense by publicizing the “Death of AdSense” book. Try Googling “PayPerPost + AdSense” (remove quotes) and you’ll see the raging blogocombat fury."
dm #24. "You’re the one that was saying that there’s flaming of Adsense and that the bloggerblog post was the original one you read. I’m pointing out that there’s NOTHING in the post you linked that talks anything about 1) flaming Adsense or 2) PayPerPost flaming Adsense."

Now let's see now.  The subject matter was PPP flaming Adsense.  Is that in the post linked?  Nope.  Nothing says anything about PPP flaming Adsense in that post.   Blogger's Blog was reporting that PayPerPost was paying people to &lt;strong&gt;review&lt;/strong&gt; the book.         Review doesn't mean: "write good things about it."

You're trying to misdirect by reinterpreting someone's writing to fit your arguments.  Your counterpoints are all based on the fact that PPP supports "attacking Adsense".   That's incorrect.  That's like saying that because Phillip Morris pays for anti-smoking campaigns, they're obviously against the tobacco industry.   This logic doesn't make any sense.

There is only 1 single plain fact here:
Fact: PayPerPost is paying for bloggers to review a book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m guessing you don&#8217;t read my comments either.  Did I say Blogger&#8217;s Blog flamed anyone? No.    Let&#8217;s go back a couple comments since you&#8217;re having troubles following:</p>
<p>vasper #15. &#8220;I need to document this, but I read recently that PayPerPost was paying people to flame AdSense.&#8221;<br />
tdavid #20. &#8220;Ummm, Vaspers that post clearly refers to “Some Adsense book or newsletter” — it doesn’t specifically finger what you wrote in #15: “paying people to flame Adsense.” Paying people to flame a book or newsletter about Adsense is not the same thing as flaming Adsense.&#8221;<br />
vasper #23. &#8220;PayPerPost was (maybe still is?) paying people to flame AdSense by publicizing the “Death of AdSense” book. Try Googling “PayPerPost + AdSense” (remove quotes) and you’ll see the raging blogocombat fury.&#8221;<br />
dm #24. &#8220;You’re the one that was saying that there’s flaming of Adsense and that the bloggerblog post was the original one you read. I’m pointing out that there’s NOTHING in the post you linked that talks anything about 1) flaming Adsense or 2) PayPerPost flaming Adsense.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s see now.  The subject matter was PPP flaming Adsense.  Is that in the post linked?  Nope.  Nothing says anything about PPP flaming Adsense in that post.   Blogger&#8217;s Blog was reporting that PayPerPost was paying people to <strong>review</strong> the book.         Review doesn&#8217;t mean: &#8220;write good things about it.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re trying to misdirect by reinterpreting someone&#8217;s writing to fit your arguments.  Your counterpoints are all based on the fact that PPP supports &#8220;attacking Adsense&#8221;.   That&#8217;s incorrect.  That&#8217;s like saying that because Phillip Morris pays for anti-smoking campaigns, they&#8217;re obviously against the tobacco industry.   This logic doesn&#8217;t make any sense.</p>
<p>There is only 1 single plain fact here:<br />
Fact: PayPerPost is paying for bloggers to review a book.</p>
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		<title>By: vaspers the grate</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061213/4045/#comment-364233</link>
		<author>vaspers the grate</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061213/4045/#comment-364233</guid>
		<description>darkmoon: I did not say that Blogger Blog was flaming anybody. I said PayPerPost was paying people to blog about a book that attacks AdSense. And PayPerPost is in competition with AdSense, in a roundabout manner. It's all about "monetizing" a blog, making money as a blogger. You can attempt to monetize a blog, or profit from blogging, via PayPerPost, AdSense, Qumana, and many other avenues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>darkmoon: I did not say that Blogger Blog was flaming anybody. I said PayPerPost was paying people to blog about a book that attacks AdSense. And PayPerPost is in competition with AdSense, in a roundabout manner. It&#8217;s all about &#8220;monetizing&#8221; a blog, making money as a blogger. You can attempt to monetize a blog, or profit from blogging, via PayPerPost, AdSense, Qumana, and many other avenues.</p>
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		<title>By: darkmoon</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061213/4045/#comment-364196</link>
		<author>darkmoon</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061213/4045/#comment-364196</guid>
		<description>Uhh.   PPP is not in competition with Adsense.  That's like saying Ducati and Ford are in competition because they both make "vehicles".   Or McDonald's competes with Flemings because they're both "restaurants".  If that's your logic by combining two corporations in a broad sense, then I'm thoroughly amused.

You're the one that was saying that there's flaming of Adsense and that the bloggerblog post was the original one you read.  I'm pointing out that there's NOTHING in the post you linked that talks anything about 1) flaming Adsense or 2) PayPerPost flaming Adsense.

The post itself talks about how Adsense could be going downhill due to clickfraud with links and that PayPerPost is paying people to review the book "Death of Adsense".   Nothing says there that they're 1) flaming, 2) paying for positive reviews of the book, or 3) paying for negative reviews of the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhh.   PPP is not in competition with Adsense.  That&#8217;s like saying Ducati and Ford are in competition because they both make &#8220;vehicles&#8221;.   Or McDonald&#8217;s competes with Flemings because they&#8217;re both &#8220;restaurants&#8221;.  If that&#8217;s your logic by combining two corporations in a broad sense, then I&#8217;m thoroughly amused.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re the one that was saying that there&#8217;s flaming of Adsense and that the bloggerblog post was the original one you read.  I&#8217;m pointing out that there&#8217;s NOTHING in the post you linked that talks anything about 1) flaming Adsense or 2) PayPerPost flaming Adsense.</p>
<p>The post itself talks about how Adsense could be going downhill due to clickfraud with links and that PayPerPost is paying people to review the book &#8220;Death of Adsense&#8221;.   Nothing says there that they&#8217;re 1) flaming, 2) paying for positive reviews of the book, or 3) paying for negative reviews of the book.</p>
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		<title>By: vaspers the grate</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061213/4045/#comment-364178</link>
		<author>vaspers the grate</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061213/4045/#comment-364178</guid>
		<description>darkmoon: PayPerPost is in competition with AdSense. PayPerPost was (maybe still is?) paying people to flame AdSense by publicizing the "Death of AdSense" book. Try Googling "PayPerPost + AdSense" (remove quotes) and you'll see the raging blogocombat fury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>darkmoon: PayPerPost is in competition with AdSense. PayPerPost was (maybe still is?) paying people to flame AdSense by publicizing the &#8220;Death of AdSense&#8221; book. Try Googling &#8220;PayPerPost + AdSense&#8221; (remove quotes) and you&#8217;ll see the raging blogocombat fury.</p>
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		<title>By: darkmoon</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061213/4045/#comment-364138</link>
		<author>darkmoon</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061213/4045/#comment-364138</guid>
		<description>Umm.  obviously no one bothered to read the linked post that was mentioned.

The Blogger's blog post was talking about how there is a book called "Death of Adsense" and that PayPerPost was pushing for reviews of it.  It doesn't flame PayPerPost, nor does it say PayPerPost is pushing the book.  All the post says is that PPP is paying for reviews and discussion about the book.  Then it goes into how there is legitimate discussion on the subject itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm.  obviously no one bothered to read the linked post that was mentioned.</p>
<p>The Blogger&#8217;s blog post was talking about how there is a book called &#8220;Death of Adsense&#8221; and that PayPerPost was pushing for reviews of it.  It doesn&#8217;t flame PayPerPost, nor does it say PayPerPost is pushing the book.  All the post says is that PPP is paying for reviews and discussion about the book.  Then it goes into how there is legitimate discussion on the subject itself.</p>
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