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		<title>By: &#8220;Keep in mind this isn&#8217;t a tech audience,&#8221; said Jennifer Jones at PodTech.net &#187; Make You Go Hmm</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061015/3848/#comment-512496</link>
		<author>&#8220;Keep in mind this isn&#8217;t a tech audience,&#8221; said Jennifer Jones at PodTech.net &#187; Make You Go Hmm</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Should also point out that Gabe was somewhat upset with alleged and apparently completely unfounded &#8220;attacks&#8221; regarding his back and forth with Bad Behavior Wordpress plugin Michael Hampton over conflicts with the Techmeme bot. I&#8217;m not sure if those two ever made peace (did you, Gabe? Michael?) but I invited Hampton via email to stop by and address his allegation. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Should also point out that Gabe was somewhat upset with alleged and apparently completely unfounded &#8220;attacks&#8221; regarding his back and forth with Bad Behavior Wordpress plugin Michael Hampton over conflicts with the Techmeme bot. I&#8217;m not sure if those two ever made peace (did you, Gabe? Michael?) but I invited Hampton via email to stop by and address his allegation. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmcast #26: getting in shape &#187; Make You Go Hmm</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061015/3848/#comment-324615</link>
		<author>Hmmcast #26: getting in shape &#187; Make You Go Hmm</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - WP plugin Bad Behavior and Techmeme bot conflict resolution (5) [oct 15] &#8220;Yep, I released the workaround. I should point out there will always be blogs that link to stuff on Techmeme but don’t appear. I get daily emails from people who feel spurned. Only about 2% of the time are these Bad Behavior users. It’s just a big web, and Techmeme offers a very small sampler…&#8221; &#8211; Comment by Gabe — October 15, 2006 @ 2:56 am [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] - WP plugin Bad Behavior and Techmeme bot conflict resolution (5) [oct 15] &#8220;Yep, I released the workaround. I should point out there will always be blogs that link to stuff on Techmeme but don’t appear. I get daily emails from people who feel spurned. Only about 2% of the time are these Bad Behavior users. It’s just a big web, and Techmeme offers a very small sampler…&#8221; &#8211; Comment by Gabe — October 15, 2006 @ 2:56 am [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: thatedeguy</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061015/3848/#comment-322175</link>
		<author>thatedeguy</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061015/3848/#comment-322175</guid>
		<description>TDavid,

Thanks for the mention, however, I don't believe that there is a plugin blocking my site.  
My reasoning for that is simple.  I haven't added any new plugins in the last several months.  As I mentioned in my post, the techmeme bot has crawled my site in that time.  The only reason that I believe that the bot crawled my site at that time was because I had mentioned something about the blacklist days before it started crawling my site.
Gabe was nice enough to come and leave a comment on the post that you point to, to which I responded both on my site and in an email.  I have yet to hear anything back.  
I believe I've made a fairly good case towards my exclusion at one point or another from techmeme.  I don't believe that I am excluded now, but that doesn't make me included either.  When I was removed from the list in Feb/Mar, I've never gotten the mass of links from included sites(besides you) to get myself included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TDavid,</p>
<p>Thanks for the mention, however, I don&#8217;t believe that there is a plugin blocking my site.<br />
My reasoning for that is simple.  I haven&#8217;t added any new plugins in the last several months.  As I mentioned in my post, the techmeme bot has crawled my site in that time.  The only reason that I believe that the bot crawled my site at that time was because I had mentioned something about the blacklist days before it started crawling my site.<br />
Gabe was nice enough to come and leave a comment on the post that you point to, to which I responded both on my site and in an email.  I have yet to hear anything back.<br />
I believe I&#8217;ve made a fairly good case towards my exclusion at one point or another from techmeme.  I don&#8217;t believe that I am excluded now, but that doesn&#8217;t make me included either.  When I was removed from the list in Feb/Mar, I&#8217;ve never gotten the mass of links from included sites(besides you) to get myself included.</p>
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		<title>By: TDavid</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061015/3848/#comment-322070</link>
		<author>TDavid</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061015/3848/#comment-322070</guid>
		<description>"Yep, I released a workaround."

Excellent to hear, Gabe. Does this require anything special for Bad Behavior users? Should they just re-enable this plugin now and give it a whirl?

I wonder how many other systems are using similar methodology though beyond the 2% you cite. Earlier today I was contacted by a reader who had a trackback filtered from here because one of our variant domains was in a spam list. We don't spam anybody so that's a false positive. Yet those who use that particular plugin wouldn't see any of our trackbacks. It's one of the major problems with using filtering programs and it's clearly not exclusive to Bad Behavior :(

Unfortunately filtering is not an exact science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yep, I released a workaround.&#8221;</p>
<p>Excellent to hear, Gabe. Does this require anything special for Bad Behavior users? Should they just re-enable this plugin now and give it a whirl?</p>
<p>I wonder how many other systems are using similar methodology though beyond the 2% you cite. Earlier today I was contacted by a reader who had a trackback filtered from here because one of our variant domains was in a spam list. We don&#8217;t spam anybody so that&#8217;s a false positive. Yet those who use that particular plugin wouldn&#8217;t see any of our trackbacks. It&#8217;s one of the major problems with using filtering programs and it&#8217;s clearly not exclusive to Bad Behavior <img src='http://www.makeyougohmm.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Unfortunately filtering is not an exact science.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061015/3848/#comment-322069</link>
		<author>Gabe</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 07:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061015/3848/#comment-322069</guid>
		<description>Yep, I released the workaround.

I should point out there will always be blogs that link to stuff on Techmeme but don't appear.  I get daily emails from people who feel spurned.  Only about 2% of the time are these Bad Behavior users.  It's just a big web, and Techmeme offers a very small sampler...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I released the workaround.</p>
<p>I should point out there will always be blogs that link to stuff on Techmeme but don&#8217;t appear.  I get daily emails from people who feel spurned.  Only about 2% of the time are these Bad Behavior users.  It&#8217;s just a big web, and Techmeme offers a very small sampler&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TDavid</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061015/3848/#comment-322068</link>
		<author>TDavid</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 07:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't see any "attacks" from you anywhere either unless he considers you telling people not to use Bad Behavior as an attack. To me that's more of a recommendation than an 'attack' but he may have perceived your recommendation in a negative light? I'm sure he'll be along and can speak for himself here and clarify where and when you attacked him publically. For the record, I've never seen you attack anybody.

Personally, and with all due respect to both of you, I'm not that interested in the friction behind this or in creating any additional drama between you two, only a solution for the problem for the rest of us out here who would like to use both of your programs.

With that in mind, it's after midnight, is your resolution available yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t see any &#8220;attacks&#8221; from you anywhere either unless he considers you telling people not to use Bad Behavior as an attack. To me that&#8217;s more of a recommendation than an &#8216;attack&#8217; but he may have perceived your recommendation in a negative light? I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;ll be along and can speak for himself here and clarify where and when you attacked him publically. For the record, I&#8217;ve never seen you attack anybody.</p>
<p>Personally, and with all due respect to both of you, I&#8217;m not that interested in the friction behind this or in creating any additional drama between you two, only a solution for the problem for the rest of us out here who would like to use both of your programs.</p>
<p>With that in mind, it&#8217;s after midnight, is your resolution available yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061015/3848/#comment-322063</link>
		<author>Gabe</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 07:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20061015/3848/#comment-322063</guid>
		<description>Good morning.

I think I need to point out two things Michael told you that aren't true.

First, he attempted, but never successfully told me what I needed to do to fix it.  I tried his fix; it didn't work.

Second, I didn't take any "attacks" public.  Could you please provide a link demonstrating otherwise?  I do disagree with Michael on some issues, and I recommended, when asked, that people not use that plugin.  (Still don't, in fact.)  But where were the "attacks"?  TDavid, wish you would have checked up on that one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning.</p>
<p>I think I need to point out two things Michael told you that aren&#8217;t true.</p>
<p>First, he attempted, but never successfully told me what I needed to do to fix it.  I tried his fix; it didn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>Second, I didn&#8217;t take any &#8220;attacks&#8221; public.  Could you please provide a link demonstrating otherwise?  I do disagree with Michael on some issues, and I recommended, when asked, that people not use that plugin.  (Still don&#8217;t, in fact.)  But where were the &#8220;attacks&#8221;?  TDavid, wish you would have checked up on that one!</p>
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