Comments on: To space, comma or quote, the tagging quandary http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060212/2940/ Technology, music, video, art, news, reviews and muse on the web Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:24:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Make You Go Hmm: » Six Apart trapped in DDOS symptom of webiverse crossfire http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060212/2940/#comment-73638 Make You Go Hmm: » Six Apart trapped in DDOS symptom of webiverse crossfire Fri, 05 May 2006 02:44:04 +0000 http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060212/2940/#comment-73638 [...] BTW, I noticed earlier Sterling added that long icon bar plugin of share it style apps when he switched over to Wordpress (good move on the switch, mon, now hurry and change out that ugly default template — you deserve better). I thought about that once upon a time and decided against. I think that icon bar is cool the first time you see it but it seems very cluttered in the ensuing posts and nevermind what it does to readers who have no idea what function most of those icons actually perform. I’m not criticizing Sterling or others that use that, I just couldn’t get over that being too much information on each post. Folks who regularly use those type apps already know how to deal with the deluge of web pages they come across which don’t give them a handy way to save them. I don’t care for posts with a bunch of tags at the beginning or end either, which has been one of numerous disappointments with tagging [related: To space, comma, or quote, the tagging quandary] Something else Sterling will like about Wordpres is that any category he defines automatically becomes a tag. I like subtle but effective organization like that. [...] […] BTW, I noticed earlier Sterling added that long icon bar plugin of share it style apps when he switched over to Wordpress (good move on the switch, mon, now hurry and change out that ugly default template — you deserve better). I thought about that once upon a time and decided against. I think that icon bar is cool the first time you see it but it seems very cluttered in the ensuing posts and nevermind what it does to readers who have no idea what function most of those icons actually perform. I’m not criticizing Sterling or others that use that, I just couldn’t get over that being too much information on each post. Folks who regularly use those type apps already know how to deal with the deluge of web pages they come across which don’t give them a handy way to save them. I don’t care for posts with a bunch of tags at the beginning or end either, which has been one of numerous disappointments with tagging [related: To space, comma, or quote, the tagging quandary] Something else Sterling will like about Wordpres is that any category he defines automatically becomes a tag. I like subtle but effective organization like that. […]

]]> By: Make You Go Hmm: » Slashdot adds tagging for subscribers (beta) http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060212/2940/#comment-54261 Make You Go Hmm: » Slashdot adds tagging for subscribers (beta) Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:16:23 +0000 http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060212/2940/#comment-54261 [...] I guess this makes yet a third method of handling multiple word tags: spaces, dashes and no spaces. share/bookmark: MyWeb | del.icio.us | digg it! [...] […] I guess this makes yet a third method of handling multiple word tags: spaces, dashes and no spaces. share/bookmark: MyWeb | del.icio.us | digg it! […]

]]> By: Scott http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060212/2940/#comment-53551 Scott Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:57:57 +0000 http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060212/2940/#comment-53551 Sterling, hmmmmmm, well I'm no expert in all things tagging. The concept is so new to technology that I'd be suspicious of anyone claiming to be an expert. ;) As far as tagging things on your hard drive. I'm not aware of anything for current Windows systems. Under OS X 10.4 (Tiger), you can attach Spotlight comments to every file and directory on your hard drive. Which makes tagging the files pretty easy. There are many scripts and applications out there for Spotlight that let you add spotlight comments to multiple files. Windows Vista will come with the ability ( at least I think it's still in there) to add similar comments and tags to your Windows file system. As for using tagging with web sites that don't employ tagging. I'm not sure. I've used Delicious to categorize my bookmarks, making it easier for me to find a web site that I saw 4 months ago. Yahoos "My Web" has similar functionality. Sterling,

hmmmmmm, well I’m no expert in all things tagging. The concept is so new to technology that I’d be suspicious of anyone claiming to be an expert. ;)

As far as tagging things on your hard drive. I’m not aware of anything for current Windows systems. Under OS X 10.4 (Tiger), you can attach Spotlight comments to every file and directory on your hard drive. Which makes tagging the files pretty easy. There are many scripts and applications out there for Spotlight that let you add spotlight comments to multiple files. Windows Vista will come with the ability ( at least I think it’s still in there) to add similar comments and tags to your Windows file system.

As for using tagging with web sites that don’t employ tagging. I’m not sure. I’ve used Delicious to categorize my bookmarks, making it easier for me to find a web site that I saw 4 months ago. Yahoos “My Web” has similar functionality.

]]> By: Sterling Camden http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060212/2940/#comment-53533 Sterling Camden Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:36:32 +0000 http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060212/2940/#comment-53533 Scott, thanks for the suggestions, but by "methods" I wasn't referring so much to the tags themselves as to the "how". For instance, what software would one use to tag things on one's owm hard drive? Or on web sites that don't specifically employ tagging? Am I just ignorant? Scott, thanks for the suggestions, but by “methods” I wasn’t referring so much to the tags themselves as to the “how”. For instance, what software would one use to tag things on one’s owm hard drive? Or on web sites that don’t specifically employ tagging? Am I just ignorant?

]]> By: Scott http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060212/2940/#comment-53509 Scott Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:54:27 +0000 http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060212/2940/#comment-53509 Sterling, I'd suggest tagging content with tags that make sense to you, without regard for how the rest of the tagging community might be using the tag. Sometimes there is overlap, but don't concern yourself with making your tags conform to their context. An example would be a friend of mine that works at IBM. I might tag a picture of him at IBM with the "IBM" tag in Flickr. Now I might also tag a picture of a server with "IBM". Someone who doesn't understand my context, might not know why I tagged a person and a computer with "IBM" and it might not help them if they are looking for pictures of a new IBM application. Context, when it comes to tagging, is practically everything. Sterling,

I’d suggest tagging content with tags that make sense to you, without regard for how the rest of the tagging community might be using the tag. Sometimes there is overlap, but don’t concern yourself with making your tags conform to their context.

An example would be a friend of mine that works at IBM. I might tag a picture of him at IBM with the “IBM” tag in Flickr. Now I might also tag a picture of a server with “IBM”. Someone who doesn’t understand my context, might not know why I tagged a person and a computer with “IBM” and it might not help them if they are looking for pictures of a new IBM application. Context, when it comes to tagging, is practically everything.

]]> By: Sterling Camden http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060212/2940/#comment-53508 Sterling Camden Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:46:05 +0000 http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060212/2940/#comment-53508 My blog software (I use Marko's microblog -- http://www.stamcar.com/projekti/microblog/) apparently doesn't support tagging. I wish it did. I think it might help people find topics on my blog site more easily, since I tend to flit around quit a bit on subject matter. I suppose I could just add them into the text at the top or bottom. I haven't used tagging yet for personal organization, and would be interested to learn about the best methods for doing so. In my limited experience, I like using commas to separate tags, and allowing multi-word tags without quotes. My blog software (I use Marko’s microblog — http://www.stamcar.com/projekti/microblog/) apparently doesn’t support tagging. I wish it did. I think it might help people find topics on my blog site more easily, since I tend to flit around quit a bit on subject matter. I suppose I could just add them into the text at the top or bottom.

I haven’t used tagging yet for personal organization, and would be interested to learn about the best methods for doing so.

In my limited experience, I like using commas to separate tags, and allowing multi-word tags without quotes.

]]> By: Scott http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060212/2940/#comment-53483 Scott Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:09:38 +0000 http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060212/2940/#comment-53483 Social tagging sucks, using tags for personal organization rocks. My thumbnail opinion. Social tagging sucks, using tags for personal organization rocks. My thumbnail opinion.

]]> By: Andrew Ferguson http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060212/2940/#comment-53410 Andrew Ferguson Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:18:16 +0000 http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060212/2940/#comment-53410 I've been trying to tag my posts as often as I can, most of the time I just forget or don't know what to tag it with. But as far as standards go, I like to use commas to separate tags and quotes to group two or more words together. But you also make a good point about the use of tags. I don't see any resonable way to control tags and there really is no way to prevent a spammer from just inserting a bunch of Technoroti tags on their Blogger page. I think the real use of tagging is to provide a clear subject reference, but I also see that being taken advantage by blog spammers very easily. I’ve been trying to tag my posts as often as I can, most of the time I just forget or don’t know what to tag it with. But as far as standards go, I like to use commas to separate tags and quotes to group two or more words together.

But you also make a good point about the use of tags. I don’t see any resonable way to control tags and there really is no way to prevent a spammer from just inserting a bunch of Technoroti tags on their Blogger page. I think the real use of tagging is to provide a clear subject reference, but I also see that being taken advantage by blog spammers very easily.

]]> By: Graham English http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060212/2940/#comment-53400 Graham English Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:37:10 +0000 http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060212/2940/#comment-53400 I'm totally interested in tagging my blog. I don't mind the aesthetics so much. It's rough and gritty like "tagging" a subway. And I think it's a natrual way to tell readers and search engines what your post is about. But it would be good to have the option to keep the blog clean and still benefit from tagging. So '10' for publisher use. I tag everything. I tag all of my computer files. I tag my music. I tag my physical stuff too. I think it's a great way to catalogue all my "stuff". My imagination thinks in keywords. I'm inspired by keyword flashes the new and interesting connections they make. Another '10' for personal use. BTW, you got 'tagged' by Toby Bloomberg and that's how I found out about your blog. :) I’m totally interested in tagging my blog. I don’t mind the aesthetics so much. It’s rough and gritty like “tagging” a subway. And I think it’s a natrual way to tell readers and search engines what your post is about. But it would be good to have the option to keep the blog clean and still benefit from tagging. So ‘10′ for publisher use.

I tag everything. I tag all of my computer files. I tag my music. I tag my physical stuff too. I think it’s a great way to catalogue all my “stuff”. My imagination thinks in keywords. I’m inspired by keyword flashes the new and interesting connections they make. Another ‘10′ for personal use.

BTW, you got ‘tagged’ by Toby Bloomberg and that’s how I found out about your blog.

:)

]]> By: Drakonik http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060212/2940/#comment-53399 Drakonik Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:52:01 +0000 http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060212/2940/#comment-53399 I'm not a blogger, but I use del.icio.us to tag at least one site a day. I've always had an issue with the tagging system, because if I want to tag something as "funny comic" or "web 2.0", then I've gotta tag it as "funnycomic" and "web2.0" which, for anyone experienced with the tagging system, isn't a problem, but I still prefer the idea of sparating tags with commas, or the vertical line, or even periods. That's my $.02 USD. I’m not a blogger, but I use del.icio.us to tag at least one site a day. I’ve always had an issue with the tagging system, because if I want to tag something as “funny comic” or “web 2.0″, then I’ve gotta tag it as “funnycomic” and “web2.0″ which, for anyone experienced with the tagging system, isn’t a problem, but I still prefer the idea of sparating tags with commas, or the vertical line, or even periods. That’s my $.02 USD.

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