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January 21, 2006

MSN responded and complied with DOJ request … last summer!

customer adventures, search engines, politics — by TDavid @ 10:42 am PST

MSN General Manager Ken Moss explains what they really provided the DOJ when asked (emphasis mine):

Over the summer we were subpoenaed by the DOJ regarding a lawsuit. The subpoena requested that we produce data from our search service. We worked hard to scope the request to something that would be consistent with this principle. The applicable parties to the case received this data, and the parties agreed that the information specific to this case would remain confidential. Specifically, we produced a random sample of pages from our index and some aggregated query logs that listed queries and how often they occurred. Absolutely no personal data was involved.

What bothers me most about the MSN response to this whole DOJ situation was brought up by one of the anon’s in their post (lots of anons in that post, curiously enough). Why didn’t MSN disclose this sooner? This happened last summer and they didn’t feel that people using their search service would care that the government wanted this information?

With all that Microsoft tries to do right, with all the blogging, with Scoble travelling the globe spreading the Microsoft message, the fact that they can’t cobble together a blog entry like this last summer when this all happens and query and/or at least notify folks about the situation is very telling.

Did MSN have to tell their search users anything about this DOJ request? No. What harm would it have caused to have said something back then? Now, it looks like they were hoping nobody would ever find out.

Rest assured that high on my list of things to take to Search Champs v4 next week will be much more transparency about privacy issues and clearer privacy policies for MSN Search. Google may have lost 9 percent of their market share yesterday for standing up to the government, but I think in time they will score many, many more points with people sick and tired of intrusive government activity. I’m glad I bought more Google stock this month and am supporting a company with the stones to stand up and say: we don’t think that’s right, and willing to go to court to fight for what we feel is reasonable access to information via subpoena.

Ken Moss concludes his post with: “Now that you have more information, you can be the judge.”

Ok, here’s my judging, Ken: a prime opportunity was missed last summer. Back then there was a chance to come out at a time when Google was being pounded over privacy concerns and stand up to the government instead of folding like a cheap lawn chair and working out some technical response that we would only learn about months later when the heat was on and they had to say something. Shameful, really.

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  1. I just wonder if Microsoft was so tired of the government attacks in previous years, that they were a bit brow beaten and just gave them what they wanted to keep, the DOJ off their back?

    Comment by orangecrush — January 21, 2006 @ 12:45 pm PST

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  4. Umm, perhaps they didn’t makea fuss because the data wasn’t connected to any individual, and they didn’t want to spark off a firestorm?

    Comment by Seth Finkelstein — January 21, 2006 @ 11:46 pm PST

  5. When do you think Google was subpoenaed? Just wondering if they “came clean” the second they were. If MSN did “come clean” people would just stop using their engine to play it safe. It would be idiotic for them to say anything back then. When you think about it, Google is the one playing it safe.

    Comment by rich — January 22, 2006 @ 1:02 am PST

  6. Search Engines And Trust.

    Back then there was a chance to come out at a time when Google was being pounded over privacy concerns and stand up to the government instead of folding like a cheap lawn chair and working out some technical response that we would only learn about mon…

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  7. orangecrush - maybe so. Still a missed opportunity.

    Seth - maybe you missed the part about it being an opportunity to be upfront about the situation? If the information was so benign as Mr. Moss contends, there was little risk in a “firestorm.”

    Comment by TDavid — January 22, 2006 @ 8:59 am PST

  8. rich - it wouldn’t have been idiotic if the information was benign and also last summer was a time when people were having fits about Google and privacy. The timing was ripe. Go back through the news cycles in the summer of 2005.

    Comment by TDavid — January 22, 2006 @ 9:02 am PST

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    Post about the recent government lawsuit against Google aiming to pry away search query data from Google. AOL, MSN and Yahoo! lamely gave up similar search data without informing their users.

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