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		<title>By: A.P.Figueora</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060120/2864/#comment-51505</link>
		<author>A.P.Figueora</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too feel dis-enchanted with Wal-Mart, just walking in the store feels strange, like I'm not a part of the vibe(CheapShopping). I think a major cause for this is perhaps my age(41)where quality was worth more than what you paid for the product. Also, my father often spoke aloud in the household that "Only Quality Buy's Customer Loyality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too feel dis-enchanted with Wal-Mart, just walking in the store feels strange, like I&#8217;m not a part of the vibe(CheapShopping). I think a major cause for this is perhaps my age(41)where quality was worth more than what you paid for the product. Also, my father often spoke aloud in the household that &#8220;Only Quality Buy&#8217;s Customer Loyality.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060120/2864/#comment-51487</link>
		<author>DJ</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I buy things at Wal Mart, but I buy things elsewhere, too.

What to I buy at Wal Mart?

1) I buy food there.  It's a very good supermarket that's only four miles away.  It's clean, uncluttered, and well stocked.  The next closest supermarket is a very nice Albertsons that's eleven miles away, and the next closest beyond that, another Albertsons, is twenty miles away.  The products are the same at all three.  I can't see any advantage to driving more to get the same products at higher prices.

2) I buy generic products there, such as oil for my vehicles, a broom for my floors, bags for my vacuum, duct tape for my garage, and so on.  Again, these are the same products I could buy elsewhere, but I would drive further and pay more.

What do I not buy at Wal Mart?

1) Obviously, things they don't sell.  (That's a joke -- get over it.)  I'm a big customer of Lowe's and I have a favorite hardware store, both over twenty miles away.

2) I buy products elsewhere when there is a noticeable advantage to doing so.  Lawnmowers come to mind, and here's why it's a good example.  I used a Honda tractor-style riding lawn mower, purchased new, from 1993 to 2001.  It was a magnificent machine:  two cylinders, water cooled, comfortable, quiet, ..., I could go on and on.  I sold it to my brother when I moved to a place that had no grass to cut.  Then I moved here and the miserable so-and-so wouldn't sell it back to me.  It's been through twelve seasons and still runs like it's new.  It works great and looks great.  So, I bought a new Scag, spending over $6,000 on it.  It will still be running fine, and will be worth some thousands of dollars, twenty or thirty years from now.  My brother's Honda still is, as is his Grasshopper.  All three are high quality, serviceable tools, not throw-away consumer trash.

So, I'm picky about what I buy.  I buy quality where it matters, and I go where I have to and pay what I have to when I do so.  But, when I buy generic, I buy it where the price is the lowest and convenience the highest, which is Wal Mart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I buy things at Wal Mart, but I buy things elsewhere, too.</p>
<p>What to I buy at Wal Mart?</p>
<p>1) I buy food there.  It&#8217;s a very good supermarket that&#8217;s only four miles away.  It&#8217;s clean, uncluttered, and well stocked.  The next closest supermarket is a very nice Albertsons that&#8217;s eleven miles away, and the next closest beyond that, another Albertsons, is twenty miles away.  The products are the same at all three.  I can&#8217;t see any advantage to driving more to get the same products at higher prices.</p>
<p>2) I buy generic products there, such as oil for my vehicles, a broom for my floors, bags for my vacuum, duct tape for my garage, and so on.  Again, these are the same products I could buy elsewhere, but I would drive further and pay more.</p>
<p>What do I not buy at Wal Mart?</p>
<p>1) Obviously, things they don&#8217;t sell.  (That&#8217;s a joke &#8212; get over it.)  I&#8217;m a big customer of Lowe&#8217;s and I have a favorite hardware store, both over twenty miles away.</p>
<p>2) I buy products elsewhere when there is a noticeable advantage to doing so.  Lawnmowers come to mind, and here&#8217;s why it&#8217;s a good example.  I used a Honda tractor-style riding lawn mower, purchased new, from 1993 to 2001.  It was a magnificent machine:  two cylinders, water cooled, comfortable, quiet, &#8230;, I could go on and on.  I sold it to my brother when I moved to a place that had no grass to cut.  Then I moved here and the miserable so-and-so wouldn&#8217;t sell it back to me.  It&#8217;s been through twelve seasons and still runs like it&#8217;s new.  It works great and looks great.  So, I bought a new Scag, spending over $6,000 on it.  It will still be running fine, and will be worth some thousands of dollars, twenty or thirty years from now.  My brother&#8217;s Honda still is, as is his Grasshopper.  All three are high quality, serviceable tools, not throw-away consumer trash.</p>
<p>So, I&#8217;m picky about what I buy.  I buy quality where it matters, and I go where I have to and pay what I have to when I do so.  But, when I buy generic, I buy it where the price is the lowest and convenience the highest, which is Wal Mart.</p>
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		<title>By: TDavid</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060120/2864/#comment-51168</link>
		<author>TDavid</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam - I'm not a Wal-Mart fan, I've written that several times before and I believe this isn't a pro-Walmart piece by any stretch. I think it's great that Snapper pulled out of there and used that as an example to say to our new salesperson: price isn't all that matters. Society is to blame for making Wal-Mart popular, not Wal-Mart. If people didn't shop there except for the items where the quality of workmanship did not matter (as the above post highlights), Wal-Mart wouldn't be so disruptive.

For example, CDs .. want to stick it to them? They sell some of those at a loss. Go into Wal-Mart and buy those CDs where you know that's the story and nothing else. Buy items where Wal-Mart loses and guess what happens to them if enough people do that ... or don't shop there period?

And Wal-Mart hasn't succeeded at everything they've tried to do. Remember the Wal-Mart music download service?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam - I&#8217;m not a Wal-Mart fan, I&#8217;ve written that several times before and I believe this isn&#8217;t a pro-Walmart piece by any stretch. I think it&#8217;s great that Snapper pulled out of there and used that as an example to say to our new salesperson: price isn&#8217;t all that matters. Society is to blame for making Wal-Mart popular, not Wal-Mart. If people didn&#8217;t shop there except for the items where the quality of workmanship did not matter (as the above post highlights), Wal-Mart wouldn&#8217;t be so disruptive.</p>
<p>For example, CDs .. want to stick it to them? They sell some of those at a loss. Go into Wal-Mart and buy those CDs where you know that&#8217;s the story and nothing else. Buy items where Wal-Mart loses and guess what happens to them if enough people do that &#8230; or don&#8217;t shop there period?</p>
<p>And Wal-Mart hasn&#8217;t succeeded at everything they&#8217;ve tried to do. Remember the Wal-Mart music download service?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060120/2864/#comment-51156</link>
		<author>Adam</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a bit shocked and dismayed that neither you, TDavid, nor any of the above commenters have taken into account the massive damage that Wal-Mart has done to our society... in terms of mistreating workers, pushing out mom'n'pop stores, supporting Chinese sweatshops, and so on.

I don't have a ton of money, frankly, but even I refuse to shop at Wal-Mart anymore.  The guilt just isn't worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a bit shocked and dismayed that neither you, TDavid, nor any of the above commenters have taken into account the massive damage that Wal-Mart has done to our society&#8230; in terms of mistreating workers, pushing out mom&#8217;n'pop stores, supporting Chinese sweatshops, and so on.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a ton of money, frankly, but even I refuse to shop at Wal-Mart anymore.  The guilt just isn&#8217;t worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sterling Camden</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060120/2864/#comment-50929</link>
		<author>Sterling Camden</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate shopping at WalMart, and precisely for the reason that it represents the bottom of the barrel.  I'd rather pay a little more for a quality product.  My wife won't shop there either.  She says she can get far better products at a not much higher price at Ross or TJMaxx.  If I was in the market for a mower, I'd go to Home Depot.  Sure, the ambiance isn't an improvement over WalMart, but the products are usually top notch at a decent price.

They're building a WalMart just 11 miles from here in Poulsbo.  I'm dreading the traffic and riff-raff that'll draw.

I used a Snapper mower for years when I was a kid.  The thing never broke down.  Good on 'em for pulling out of WalMart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate shopping at WalMart, and precisely for the reason that it represents the bottom of the barrel.  I&#8217;d rather pay a little more for a quality product.  My wife won&#8217;t shop there either.  She says she can get far better products at a not much higher price at Ross or TJMaxx.  If I was in the market for a mower, I&#8217;d go to Home Depot.  Sure, the ambiance isn&#8217;t an improvement over WalMart, but the products are usually top notch at a decent price.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re building a WalMart just 11 miles from here in Poulsbo.  I&#8217;m dreading the traffic and riff-raff that&#8217;ll draw.</p>
<p>I used a Snapper mower for years when I was a kid.  The thing never broke down.  Good on &#8216;em for pulling out of WalMart.</p>
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		<title>By: ^Lestat</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20060120/2864/#comment-50920</link>
		<author>^Lestat</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have a very good point TD. Our vacuum cleaner recently died. We only had it for 1.5 years. Off we went to... Walmart. Why? Several factors:

1) Availability: They are open 24hrs. It was 9:30 PM. Nevermind what I was doing vacuuming that late at night.

2) Price: The vacuums there range from $45-$100 something. So I dropped $65 for another vacuum cleaner.

I knew that I could get a cheap vacuum, and I don't expect it to last more than 1.5 years or so. I consider them 'disposable vacuums'. Ever feel and smell a carpet cleaned by a new vacuum? Ever smell what a 2-3 yr vacuum does to your carpet?

Of course we could spend $800-$1,200 on a nice brand new Kirby that will last 10-20 years. Thats not very good math though. Because it's really a wash in the long run spending.

Iv'e had some friends who have worked at Walmart. According to their claims, they were treated terribly. 

On those notes, I think it was smart of him to move his snapper mowers from them. Most people who shop Walmart aren't going to drop that kind of cash for a quality product. At least I know I wouldn't. If I was in the market for a mower or anything in that higher price range I would do more window shopping first. Walmart wouldn't even be on the list. After checking online first I would probably visit Sears, Home Depot, Menards and the local hardware merchants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have a very good point TD. Our vacuum cleaner recently died. We only had it for 1.5 years. Off we went to&#8230; Walmart. Why? Several factors:</p>
<p>1) Availability: They are open 24hrs. It was 9:30 PM. Nevermind what I was doing vacuuming that late at night.</p>
<p>2) Price: The vacuums there range from $45-$100 something. So I dropped $65 for another vacuum cleaner.</p>
<p>I knew that I could get a cheap vacuum, and I don&#8217;t expect it to last more than 1.5 years or so. I consider them &#8216;disposable vacuums&#8217;. Ever feel and smell a carpet cleaned by a new vacuum? Ever smell what a 2-3 yr vacuum does to your carpet?</p>
<p>Of course we could spend $800-$1,200 on a nice brand new Kirby that will last 10-20 years. Thats not very good math though. Because it&#8217;s really a wash in the long run spending.</p>
<p>Iv&#8217;e had some friends who have worked at Walmart. According to their claims, they were treated terribly. </p>
<p>On those notes, I think it was smart of him to move his snapper mowers from them. Most people who shop Walmart aren&#8217;t going to drop that kind of cash for a quality product. At least I know I wouldn&#8217;t. If I was in the market for a mower or anything in that higher price range I would do more window shopping first. Walmart wouldn&#8217;t even be on the list. After checking online first I would probably visit Sears, Home Depot, Menards and the local hardware merchants.</p>
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