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		<title>By: Make You Go Hmm: &#187; Where is the UMPC coverage at Yahoo Tech?</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20051206/2695/#comment-72892</link>
		<author>Make You Go Hmm: &#187; Where is the UMPC coverage at Yahoo Tech?</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 15:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The search is over Currently the hot gadget on my radar is the UMPC aka Origami. When I heard these devices would be in the $600-$1000 range I was excited but a couple months have gone by with teasing everywhere and very little concrete news on in retail store delivery dates. Seems like the very first UMPC to hit any store &#8212; online or offline &#8212; will be the Samsung Q. It will weigh in outside the promised price range at just under $1,100 not including tax. I&#8217;m not likely to pay that much for a device that isn&#8217;t Vista compatible, so that is the big question on my mind for these devices: are they Vista compatible? If not, then might as well wait a year to buy and get one that is, just like the next generation Tablet PCs. [see Don&#8217;t buy a new tablet pc, buy an older model instead or keep waiting] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The search is over Currently the hot gadget on my radar is the UMPC aka Origami. When I heard these devices would be in the $600-$1000 range I was excited but a couple months have gone by with teasing everywhere and very little concrete news on in retail store delivery dates. Seems like the very first UMPC to hit any store &#8212; online or offline &#8212; will be the Samsung Q. It will weigh in outside the promised price range at just under $1,100 not including tax. I&#8217;m not likely to pay that much for a device that isn&#8217;t Vista compatible, so that is the big question on my mind for these devices: are they Vista compatible? If not, then might as well wait a year to buy and get one that is, just like the next generation Tablet PCs. [see Don&#8217;t buy a new tablet pc, buy an older model instead or keep waiting] [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Make You Go Hmm: &#187; Om Malik becomes a Tablet Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20051206/2695/#comment-53055</link>
		<author>Make You Go Hmm: &#187; Om Malik becomes a Tablet Guy</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 04:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20051206/2695/#comment-53055</guid>
		<description>[...] Too bad Om took the convertible way instead of going slate, but any Mac user adding a tablet to their computing arsenal is a positive sign. The Lenovo X41 ThinkPad is a nice machine, so no knock there, but my advice continues to be for any new tableteer to wait for Vista or get a buffed up older model. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Too bad Om took the convertible way instead of going slate, but any Mac user adding a tablet to their computing arsenal is a positive sign. The Lenovo X41 ThinkPad is a nice machine, so no knock there, but my advice continues to be for any new tableteer to wait for Vista or get a buffed up older model. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Make You Go Hmm: &#187; Tablet PC downgrading</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20051206/2695/#comment-43646</link>
		<author>Make You Go Hmm: &#187; Tablet PC downgrading</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20051206/2695/#comment-43646</guid>
		<description>[...] Another reason not to buy a new model Tablet PC. I bet the deal on a backchannel Toshiba Portege M200 would be a good one, just be very, very careful if buying used (again not something I&#8217;d recommend doing). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Another reason not to buy a new model Tablet PC. I bet the deal on a backchannel Toshiba Portege M200 would be a good one, just be very, very careful if buying used (again not something I&#8217;d recommend doing). [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Make You Go Hmm: &#187; Day 365: looking back at one year with a Tablet PC</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20051206/2695/#comment-43202</link>
		<author>Make You Go Hmm: &#187; Day 365: looking back at one year with a Tablet PC</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 04:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20051206/2695/#comment-43202</guid>
		<description>[...] For those who didn&#8217;t read my post last week recommending what type of tablet to buy, I won&#8217;t be rehashing that here. My recommendation will likely change when we see lighter, trimmer slates that are Vista certified. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] For those who didn&#8217;t read my post last week recommending what type of tablet to buy, I won&#8217;t be rehashing that here. My recommendation will likely change when we see lighter, trimmer slates that are Vista certified. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: TabBlogger</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20051206/2695/#comment-43193</link>
		<author>TabBlogger</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 01:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20051206/2695/#comment-43193</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;New or Used?&lt;/strong&gt;

Ha! Now that I've had half a minute to actually scan Lora's posts, I see she's posted regarding new vs...</description>
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<p>Ha! Now that I&#8217;ve had half a minute to actually scan Lora&#8217;s posts, I see she&#8217;s posted regarding new vs&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TDavid</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20051206/2695/#comment-42723</link>
		<author>TDavid</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20051206/2695/#comment-42723</guid>
		<description>No Rob, you aren't alone. I say go slate or spend the money on a more powerful traditional laptop, heck, maybe even a media center laptop. If weight and mobility aren't that important but simply a powerful computing experience it's hard to ask somebody to spend an extra $500 or more for a convertible and likely less computing power just so they &lt;i&gt;have the ability to ink&lt;/i&gt; on the screen. Most convertible users I've spoken to, face to face, have admitted they don't use inking functionality very often. Compare that to the slate tablet users I've spoken to directly who use ink functions frequently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Rob, you aren&#8217;t alone. I say go slate or spend the money on a more powerful traditional laptop, heck, maybe even a media center laptop. If weight and mobility aren&#8217;t that important but simply a powerful computing experience it&#8217;s hard to ask somebody to spend an extra $500 or more for a convertible and likely less computing power just so they <i>have the ability to ink</i> on the screen. Most convertible users I&#8217;ve spoken to, face to face, have admitted they don&#8217;t use inking functionality very often. Compare that to the slate tablet users I&#8217;ve spoken to directly who use ink functions frequently.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob O'Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20051206/2695/#comment-42722</link>
		<author>Rob O'Daniel</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20051206/2695/#comment-42722</guid>
		<description>Good advice!  I am, however, of a very differing opinion on the convertibles.

In a nutshell, if you need a notebook, get a notebook.  The convertibles I've used - predominantly the oh-so-overpraised IBM Thinkpad X41 - has too many tradeoffs to make them a good bang-for-the-buck value either as a notebook or a tablet PC.  The X41 is sluggish even with the RAM bumped to a gig and the keyboard - the entire reason for buying a 'vert - is no marvel either.  The lack of a Windows key is a dealbreaker on *any* keyboard for me and the Function key is exactly where the Control key should be.  And then there's that silly TrackPoint nub instead of the standard touchpad interface that nearly all notebooks offer.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of tablet PCs and, specifically, I really like the various Compaq and Motion Computing models I've used.  I'd recommend embracing the tablet UI and avoiding a convertible - you can always hook up a compact USB keyboard (and even a nice optical mouse) if you're in a pinch to do some hardcore data entry.

Am I alone in this or has anyone else been really disappointed with convertible tablet PCs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good advice!  I am, however, of a very differing opinion on the convertibles.</p>
<p>In a nutshell, if you need a notebook, get a notebook.  The convertibles I&#8217;ve used - predominantly the oh-so-overpraised IBM Thinkpad X41 - has too many tradeoffs to make them a good bang-for-the-buck value either as a notebook or a tablet PC.  The X41 is sluggish even with the RAM bumped to a gig and the keyboard - the entire reason for buying a &#8216;vert - is no marvel either.  The lack of a Windows key is a dealbreaker on *any* keyboard for me and the Function key is exactly where the Control key should be.  And then there&#8217;s that silly TrackPoint nub instead of the standard touchpad interface that nearly all notebooks offer.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;m all in favor of tablet PCs and, specifically, I really like the various Compaq and Motion Computing models I&#8217;ve used.  I&#8217;d recommend embracing the tablet UI and avoiding a convertible - you can always hook up a compact USB keyboard (and even a nice optical mouse) if you&#8217;re in a pinch to do some hardcore data entry.</p>
<p>Am I alone in this or has anyone else been really disappointed with convertible tablet PCs?</p>
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		<title>By: TDavid</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20051206/2695/#comment-42571</link>
		<author>TDavid</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 23:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20051206/2695/#comment-42571</guid>
		<description>Craig - EVDO was a failure for me on the M1400, not sure if this got fixed on the LE1600 or with more time than I was willing to spend with Verizon and Motion support, so there is one definite bonus for the LE1600 if that got worked out (just search for my numerous past detailed blog entries on &lt;a href="http://www.makeyougohmm.com/index.phtml?s=evdo"&gt;EVDO&lt;/a&gt; and how I ultimately sent it back).

There are many areas where EVDO coverage is inadequate and frankly a 14.4 connection is worse than most hotel/motel dialup connections, also not all hotels have ethernet or WiFi (though this situation is improving) so the modem slot going away is a downgrade for business travellers. I've written about the difference between the LE1600 and M1400 and how it's a marginal upgrade to the line and still comes without the necessary RAM and disk space (and VA) as standard. 

Mark my words, the nextgen apps are going to require 1GB RAM for speedy operation instead of the 512 or 256 they come with now (Windows is sluggish with 256 MB RAM as it is). Max expansion to 1.5GB or 1.25 GB? That's compared to 2GB expansion for the M1400 Centrino ... so does that seem like forward progress to you?

Why no expansion to 4GB, or at least the 2GB that as available on the M1400 on the LE1600?

I also found this statement on your blog somewhat arrogant: "There is always going to be something – a new OS, a better technology or a new feature – that will come out just after you buy a new tablet.  Deal with it."

Why should the customer have to 'deal with it'? It's not like they are buying some cheap laptop from WalMart. We are dropping a couple grand here, not $500. It's Motion's job to deal with it, not the customer's. They are supposed to sell us on all the great reasons &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; we should upgrade.

Motion hacked me off by already thumbing their nose at their existing M-series customers by planning not to sell batteries/accessories after Dec 2007, so why should I be excited about their new model that is a slightly thinner, slightly lighter, has an SD slot, and carries the same standard memory at the same high price?

And as for your comments about weight? You must not carry around the slate that much in real work scenarios inking, do you? Anything over 3 pounds is too heavy and even 2.2-2.5 pounds becomes heavy. My point is these nextgen tablets should be under 2 lbs or striving to be. The Fujitsu convertible was nice but I imagine as a slate that would have been sub 2 lbs and a step in the right direction.

Lastly, why should we as customers "deal" with buying something for over two grand that may or may not fit the new OS in a year? Yeah, maybe it works for you now but even you don't have the next Vista build, do you? And you know what? I can't even get Outlook 2003 to work without immediate crashing on my M1400 and Microsoft conveniently makes my option to pay them $35 or $240 for the incident to fix, so I'm definitely leery of the LE1600 working any better with Vista or Office 12 even though it is a newer model.

Bottom line: this is not the kind of "deal" that most business people want to make. A better deal would be to buy an older model and buff the memory and HD, or wait until the certified Vista-ready tablets come out so a more informed decision can be made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig - EVDO was a failure for me on the M1400, not sure if this got fixed on the LE1600 or with more time than I was willing to spend with Verizon and Motion support, so there is one definite bonus for the LE1600 if that got worked out (just search for my numerous past detailed blog entries on <a href="http://www.makeyougohmm.com/index.phtml?s=evdo">EVDO</a> and how I ultimately sent it back).</p>
<p>There are many areas where EVDO coverage is inadequate and frankly a 14.4 connection is worse than most hotel/motel dialup connections, also not all hotels have ethernet or WiFi (though this situation is improving) so the modem slot going away is a downgrade for business travellers. I&#8217;ve written about the difference between the LE1600 and M1400 and how it&#8217;s a marginal upgrade to the line and still comes without the necessary RAM and disk space (and VA) as standard. </p>
<p>Mark my words, the nextgen apps are going to require 1GB RAM for speedy operation instead of the 512 or 256 they come with now (Windows is sluggish with 256 MB RAM as it is). Max expansion to 1.5GB or 1.25 GB? That&#8217;s compared to 2GB expansion for the M1400 Centrino &#8230; so does that seem like forward progress to you?</p>
<p>Why no expansion to 4GB, or at least the 2GB that as available on the M1400 on the LE1600?</p>
<p>I also found this statement on your blog somewhat arrogant: &#8220;There is always going to be something – a new OS, a better technology or a new feature – that will come out just after you buy a new tablet.  Deal with it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why should the customer have to &#8216;deal with it&#8217;? It&#8217;s not like they are buying some cheap laptop from WalMart. We are dropping a couple grand here, not $500. It&#8217;s Motion&#8217;s job to deal with it, not the customer&#8217;s. They are supposed to sell us on all the great reasons <i>why</i> we should upgrade.</p>
<p>Motion hacked me off by already thumbing their nose at their existing M-series customers by planning not to sell batteries/accessories after Dec 2007, so why should I be excited about their new model that is a slightly thinner, slightly lighter, has an SD slot, and carries the same standard memory at the same high price?</p>
<p>And as for your comments about weight? You must not carry around the slate that much in real work scenarios inking, do you? Anything over 3 pounds is too heavy and even 2.2-2.5 pounds becomes heavy. My point is these nextgen tablets should be under 2 lbs or striving to be. The Fujitsu convertible was nice but I imagine as a slate that would have been sub 2 lbs and a step in the right direction.</p>
<p>Lastly, why should we as customers &#8220;deal&#8221; with buying something for over two grand that may or may not fit the new OS in a year? Yeah, maybe it works for you now but even you don&#8217;t have the next Vista build, do you? And you know what? I can&#8217;t even get Outlook 2003 to work without immediate crashing on my M1400 and Microsoft conveniently makes my option to pay them $35 or $240 for the incident to fix, so I&#8217;m definitely leery of the LE1600 working any better with Vista or Office 12 even though it is a newer model.</p>
<p>Bottom line: this is not the kind of &#8220;deal&#8221; that most business people want to make. A better deal would be to buy an older model and buff the memory and HD, or wait until the certified Vista-ready tablets come out so a more informed decision can be made.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Pringle</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20051206/2695/#comment-42567</link>
		<author>Craig Pringle</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Out of interest - what is missing from the LE1600 that you miss?  I noticed the modem jack and did not care as I use an EVDO card.  I have a 1400 and I had the LE1600 for a night the other day and the 1600 has a number of features that I thought were missing from the 1400.  Particularly the SD card slot...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of interest - what is missing from the LE1600 that you miss?  I noticed the modem jack and did not care as I use an EVDO card.  I have a 1400 and I had the LE1600 for a night the other day and the 1600 has a number of features that I thought were missing from the 1400.  Particularly the SD card slot&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Blog:: Craig Pringle</title>
		<link>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20051206/2695/#comment-42566</link>
		<author>Blog:: Craig Pringle</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20051206/2695/#comment-42566</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;If you are buying a new tablet - don't wait&lt;/strong&gt;

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