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March 20, 2005

Experiment reveals how fast Google News links breaking news

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I’m currently reading other blogs related to the Flickr to Yahoo sale and saw that a little bit earlier Dave Winer linked to a screenshot of Google News showing that he had linked to the Yahoo sale to Flickr already and it wasn’t yet listed in Google news. Winer seemed a bit miffed that Scripting News wasn’t a Google News source:

Interesting that Google News doesn’t have this bit yet. Hey if you scanned Scripting News you would have a clue. Just an idea. ;->

This got me thinking: how long does it take for Google news to link to a breaking story? So I decided to run an actual experiment and see.

Since I’ve been a Blogcritic for over a year now — and Blogcritics is one of the growing number of blog Google News sources, I would go over and test how long it would take Google News to pick up the headline. I had to move quickly though, before another Blogcritic would be onto the story and posting the news ahead of the piece I submitted.

I reworked the last entry I posted here and made it sound a little bit more newsworthy (hopefully, anyway) and then I submitted to Blogcritics. This process took me about five minutes.

It took a couple minutes to filter to the front page of Blogcritics because the system there is cached and within a couple minutes it showed up in the Google News search. Google Search: flickr.

So the answer is that Google news can pick up a story from one of its sources literally within minutes of being posted.

One solution for Dave — in the interim of Scripting News not being a recognized source — might be to become a fellow Blogcritic and then he could help get stuff listed in Google news faster.

Just an idea.

Update: after I posted this, I see that Dave has already changed his original message to read the following instead:

I wonder how long before a non-blog source gets the story. And they would have had it sooner if they deigned to scan Scripting News.

Apparently, Winer’s position had been tempered from his initial reaction. Usually bloggers strikethru their original words published though when they add or update them. In this case, though, he deleted the text entirely as if it was never there. Hmm, I wonder why he would do that? I didn’t take a screenshot of his original text, but now this gets me wondering if there is a cache somewhere of the original words.

(Bloglines has one, see screencap here, and oddly enough it looks like he had a smiley that wasn’t there when I first encountered his post … this sort of alters the tone of his original post — so I just went and added the smiley that wasn’t there when I first encountered his blog)

Makes me look a bit foolish and inaccurate for quoting and linking to something that isn’t even on Dave’s site any more. Think I will screenshot Dave Winer quotes from now on, just to be on the safe side from this sometimes frenetic editing that he seems to be doing.

Guess this is what one would call dynamic news reporting.

Other bloggers writing about the Flickr to Yahoo sale

Jeremy Zawodny writes: “It’s such a relief to be able to talk openly about this.”

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  1. > Usually bloggers strikethru their original words published though when they add or update them. In this case, though, he deleted the text entirely as if it was never there. Hmm, I wonder why he would do that?

    This has been a long standing issue with Dave, and it’s lead to some interesting battles in the past — the most notorious being Mark Pilgrim’s WinerWatcher (since 404′d, but you can get an overview of the situation at the time from posts by Simon Willison and Jogin.com.

    And while I could be wrong on this, I believe that NetNewsWire’s show differences feature was (indirectly) inspired by this very event and WinerWatcher.

    (I’m not posting this as an attack on Dave or any such thing — merely pointing out that the issue you bring up is a very real one that has caused difficulties in the past, and is often worth keeping in mind when reading Scripting News [IMHO].)

    Comment by Michael Hanscom — March 21, 2005 @ 1:42 am PST

  2. It would be silly for Google News to scan Scripting News–he posts very very short items, often without news relevance. Why is a link flame contest with any number of people news to Google?

    No one big picked up the Flickr story for a bit because it’s a Sunday and because it was announced via a blog post, not via a press release.

    Comment by Jon Gales — March 21, 2005 @ 2:02 am PST

  3. Jon - the news is Flickr being bought by Yahoo story. My personal comments regarding the changing of a Scripting News post with certain comments being made is ancilliary and more of a just FYI thing. Maybe that should have been put in a separate post …

    As I re-read my comments above, I think you are simply pointing out that there’s no point in Scripting News being scanned because of the length, so just ignore the paragraph I wrote above (lol).

    Michael, thanks for posting that info. I do remember hearing something about this before, but it’s nice to get some clarification on that.

    Comment by TDavid — March 21, 2005 @ 9:55 am PST


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