Artificial Intelligence search “working beta” too dumb to find any search results, but it has a patent pending? |
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Sir Seeker stopped by to let me know that his new search engine also has artificial intelligence just like newcomer Accoona that former President Bill Clinton was out promoting recently. Unfortunately, my response after seeing and trying to actually, realistically use SirSeek is that it’s much too raw in its current form to be compared to any other search engine, including Accoona. So if you really want to know what I discovered about this raw project than keep reading but otherwise, forget it and move on. Accordingly, I’ve put the rest of my commentary in the body section so readers through the RSS feed or seeing this via the front page will need to click through if they are really, really curious about this one (don’t be yet).
Sir Seeker’s comments:
I have created a artificial intelligence search engine too (it thinks for you and offers keyword suggestion that you may never have thought of, choices from related synonyms, antonyms, homonyms and thesaurus)! Check out http://www.SirSeek.com where you see the working beta. See some sample searches. Unfortunately no expresidents or famous people are getting on TV to talk about my search engine (YET).
I checked out SirSeek and ran similar queries that I ran with Accoona (and the same queries I run with other new SEs when I come across them, in fact). I wanted to find where or if our sites rank, but not for ego reasons (ok, well maybe a little bit), but to know if we are showing up for the keywords we should show up for; I know our sites better than others so for testing there are no better examples.
When I ran my first query on my name “TDavid” it returned no results (see screenshot above). This is in contrast to Accoona that reacted like pretty much every other SE out there when confronted with my name: they want to offer it as a misspelling and say that it’s “David” instead of “TDavid” — which, I noticed that Accoona has fixed this in their search engine after my commentary (I don’t know if they saw my comments and fixed it or they just realized that in fact there is a person named “TDavid” on the web). Anyway, no hit for “TDavid” so then I ran my primary business website: “tdscripts” — still, no results from Sir Seek. TD Scripts has been on the web since 1999 and I can find this site in any other SE I’ve ever tried (including Accoona). I added the dot com and still no results. Huh? I did notice lots and lots of advertisements and that the search results are put in a frame (yech!). Please, please get rid of the frames, Sir Seeker, those are just annoying.
Almost ready to give up on Sir Seek, I decided first to go back and try out the sample search for “NewYears” and here’s what was returned:
**This is a just a temp page (using ODP’s search database for now) as we are still developing our Artificial Intelligence Web Search Engine (will use your keywords to find similar keywords from a thesaurus database to find more relevant results you may not have though of). If no results are found, we will send out web spiders to find the data on the fly for us to display results and also index the relevant web pages. Once a search is performed you will also be given a broken up list of related selectable keywords to add to your next search… Wait and see, we will be the next BIG THING!
Sir Seek does have some bold claims (”wait and see …”), but where are the freaking search results??? What is a search engine without search results? My final test was trying out the new whiz bang thesaurus option. thesaurus option:
This is the World’s first implementation of an artificial intelligent programmed search tool for www.SirSeek.com that gives suggestions for synonyms (like a thesaurus lookup) for search phrases and keywords! This idea is now copyrighted by us @ 3:24 AM 12/8/2004 (date/time perfected). You can not steal (or borrow) our artificial inteligence keyword suggestor idea!
So SirSeek sought (and got?) a patent on this idea? This was it for me. If this is true why is the patent office allowing patents for stuff like this? It is a neat concept but I’d rather see somebody like Google do it, which BTW is misspelled on the site (or was “Goolge” misspelling intentional?). Sir Seeker, if you are reading this, come back when the following has changed:
- no frames for search results
- there actually are search results
- the AI can be tested beyond seeing keywords, seeing actual search results related to those keywords
- the ads are way toned down (Google didn’t need to start with so many ads and neither should you if you’ve only had a quarter million searches over four months — that’s hardly any bandwidth used)
I do like the fact that he has some interesting widgets like the talking time clock and that he plans to add RSS feeds for search results but again, this project is just way too raw at this point to provide any meaningful overview or testing. I do see some promising ideas here. I would be curious to see this later after there has been significantly more developement time put into it. Good luck to you, Sir Seeker, thank you for stopping by and please check back when … well, when it actually works.
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I only introduced my beta engine to get comments & suggestions (didn’t mean to have it deemed as useless), I know it aint working the best yet. Obviously I need more content! Hard for a one one man team to finish over night, its a process, get it half assed working then let the world see it to give me hints what to add or change before I claim it is finished.
I think the day you tried it for the screenshot we were working on the script and thats why no results show. Have you tried the same search recently?
Please do not give up, I admit it is beta and may not be the best search engine for another year or more (I am picky).
Comment by Dave — January 25, 2005 @ 5:44 pm PST
You got anything nice to say about SirSeek.com or you just making this blog to try to ruin SirSeek.com before it even has a chance to make a go of it? We thought we had mentioned that it was a new search engine (beta still) needing suggestions.
Maybe our NEW LAYOUT will make you feel better? You can now submit sites for spidering and also trigger the crawler (or you must wait upto 8 weeks for manual merging) once you’ve submitted all your sites, to find your submissions, search our “WEB” (directory) search area.
You think Accoona is so great, well they are only great because the main search engine uses Overture.com affiliate program for content (anyone can apply to join their XML pay per click feeds) and their business content was provided by some Chinese group that partnered with them. If SirSeek had a partner like that or if SirSeek used Overture’s content, we could be as good. Aslo, these other big engines have invested millions of dollars to get somewhere, so far we have spent only $50 (yes, that’s fifty dollars, just think what SirSeek could do with a million bucks)!
SirSeek.com’s TOOLBAR will fill in for the links we do not have, this toolbar searches over 300 search engines, allows URL submitting to 300 search engines, popup blocker, anon surfing, etc… This toolbar replaces all other major toolbars!
Comment by Sir Seek — April 17, 2005 @ 9:42 am PST
PS, thanks for the inspiration, even though it made us angry… We realize that sometimes critisism is needed.
So far this project is a one man show (no employees, no staff, no help) and the one single guy has too many projects on the go. Some examples are: [[ SPAM REMOVED ]]
I will be trying for sponsorships and partnerships once I feel it is good enough, already have some sponsor writers lined up…
Comment by Sir Seek — April 17, 2005 @ 9:54 am PST
Sir Seek - first of all, no, I didn’t write this *one* blog entry to “ruin Sir Seek.” Please don’t be so self-important. In fact, in your case, as people can read above, you specifically sought my feedback. Don’t bitch and moan about my commentary just because it isn’t glowing, flowery and to your specific liking.
Just checked out your new design and spent all of five minutes there. At least for the moment I’ll spare SirSeek.com from any further embarassment by making another blog entry with an updated review and opinion. Sorry, but I’m still a long ways from being inspired and/or impressed and I didn’t see much of anything at Sir Seek that was innovative, new and/or useful.
And it’s still producing errors like this:
Oops (sorry), experiencing tech prob with our web ranker
The design is still hard on the eyes — red hyperlinks on a bright, blue background in the header or white background in the body with red text, ouch. The text size, layout and colors are all just … wrong. Spend a few bones and hire a professional designer to do some simple, yet strategic modifications and it will make a ton of difference. But wait, before you do that, you need to fix the search functionality which is dreadfully SLOWWWWWW. Searches took several twenty seconds and people won’t wait this long. Use Google as a benchmark and see how long searches take there. My guess is your searches are being done in real time. Hint: use caching. The results seem like something I could get using a program like php-dig and a homemade spider. You might be a one-man operation, Sir Seek, but you shouldn’t produce a product like this that looks like it came from a one man operation.
I still cannot fathom what is worth patenting here which drove most of my scrutiny, but whatever.
And BTW, please do *NOT* spam the comments area with a bunch of URLs to your other programs (one relevant link would be acceptable) because they will just be removed before ever seeing the light of day. Not only is this tacky, but we will nix this type of activity because it isn’t relevant.
Comment by TDavid — April 17, 2005 @ 11:58 am PST
Well glad that I least got some attention from you and had you try it.
No matter what color I made things, I am sure you would not like it. Right now the color scheme is that of the United States (American) flag (which I bet you cannot stand the colors for US flag’s design either).
Thanks for the “webway ride” and bashings, I am “getting off” on the next “stop” so I bid you farewell…
BTW, what you called spam was a incomplete (I have over 40 sites, only listed a small handful) list of the sites that keep me bizzy, proving what makes SirSeek.com’s progress slow (was related to my discussion). You are a rude person (unfortunately anyone can make a blog) and now throwing out illegal slander that suggests I am an illegal spammer. How would you like me to make blogs and forum postings about your site being a spamming website? I bet you wouldn’t like it because you couldn’t delete it (like me in this situation)…
I SUGGEST YOU DELETE THIS ENTIRE USELESS WEBLOG!
Comment by Sir Dont Care — April 20, 2005 @ 2:49 am PST
Sir Weak - you and your company got all the attention you likely will ever get in this post, so good riddance and don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.
I love America, the flag, the colors (just not the way they were used on sirseek.com), and a little something called the First Amendment. I suggest you go get “bizzy” and study that before lamely threatening me. As for this blog being ‘useless’? Hey, the same First Amendment entitles you to that opinion so thank you for the feedback. Go start a blog, start 100 blogs, whatever turns you on, and if you actually do something innovative, useful and/or new that actually works, I’ll have plenty of good things to say about it.
It’s really not that complicated a formula to follow. Ok, maybe for you, Sir Weak. Maybe for you.
Comment by TDavid — April 20, 2005 @ 8:42 am PST
I would agree that the engine is quite hard on the eyes. After trying 1 search, it took well over 20 seconds (I couldn’t wait to close the window and get on with my day).
As far as anything patentable, I’m not quite sure I see what would be patentable.
I’m not quite sure what SirSeek is upset about. It looks as if the original blog entry was a critique and not a flame. As a matter of fact, after searching on “TDavid” myself, it would seem that his sites and many, many articles and blog entries that TDavid doesn’t realy have the time to intentionaly flame someone. Maybe SirSeek should spend more time in development to improve on any critques, rather than throwing tantrums.
Comment by Lestat — April 20, 2005 @ 9:13 am PST
Give it up, I am not even reading your posted stuff now (YAWN, IM BORED). Please stop changing some of the text that I post, who knows what I have actually posted here now!
LOL, I am so glad people like you don’t want to use my sites, it is people like you that would only drive a webmaster insane!
I peeked at your last post, I am slow because I do not have the $50,000 per year for dual T3 internet access, GOOF!
Comment by Sir Dont Care — April 20, 2005 @ 5:24 pm PST
Sir Weak is still here? Thought you were GONE. We haven’t changed any of your text, we just removed your spam above (and below as well).
So that explains why sirseek.com searches are so slowwww? You haven’t figured out that you can just buy real hosting with an OC3 or better backbone for like $10/month?! Doh!
Comment by TDavid — April 20, 2005 @ 5:29 pm PST
YOU ARE A GOOF! BUT YOU ALREADY KNEW THAT…
Comment by Sir Dont Care — April 20, 2005 @ 10:55 pm PST
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Well you are obviously not internet literate, I cannot have the same control with paid hosting that I do with my own server. I cannot control the firewall on paid hosting, I cannot control the robots.txt and many hosting companies make it so that search engines are not spidering every page. There is no use talking to you as you just want to be mean. You think you know everything, yet you don’t know enough about the internet…
I explained the search engine was beta, and wanted feedback, not to be told it is stupid and lacks content, I know it doesnt have lots of links yet, DUH IT’S BRAND NEW AND BETA!
I even asked you to delete this crap, yet you just wish to insult me.
WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?
PLEASE AGAIN, DELETE THIS BLOG!
BTW, I HAVE PAID HOSTING ACCOUNTS, I CAN’T AFFORD ANYMORE RIGHT NOW MR. KNOWITALL…
Comment by Sir Seek — April 26, 2005 @ 5:04 am PST
Um, what happened to “Give it up, I am not even reading your posted stuff now ” ?
Comment by Lestat — April 27, 2005 @ 12:01 pm PST