Why Seattle hot topics blog marketing event not worth $645/$695 USD |
Extremely doutbful I’ll be signing up fo this seminar here in Seattle next Friday, Dec 17, 2004 on blogging and marketing. Robert Scoble is one of several speakers and is letting folks know via his blog that seats are still available. This doesn’t surprise me because I checked out this event, looked at the schedule including who was speaking, what they were speaking about and what I felt would really be learned beyond the typical seminar spin.
There are still seats available at next Friday’s American Marketing Association’s hot topic series on blogging and marketing (I’m speaking).
At $645/$695 a pop? Sorry, seems a bit pricey. Besides, our business budget for 2004 for this kind of thing is pretty much gone. What small business owner’s budget isn’t pretty much tapped at this point in the year? Also, we’ve got a drain coming up for the two conventions we’re already hitting next month in Vegas in January 2005 (new tax year, though). What I’m saying here is that I’d happily find/expense/drop $645/$695 if I thought I’d get the value back out of this event for either of our two businesses. The problem here is I just don’t see it. Here’s where and why specifically I don’t see this event being worth it and please anybody who can counterpoint me on this, use the comments section and do so.
The overview for this event: “Internet surfers, advertisers, journalists and even politicians do it. But are blogs a credible marketing strategy for your brand or company? Experienced bloggers answer your questions and show how to incorporate the newest internet-based strategy into your organization�s marketing plan. Leave this marketing blog workshop with innovative ideas and specific techniques to apply directly to your own marketing strategy.”
The overview doesn’t seem to know/hold the answer to the bolded question (I bolded that, BTW). And who do they have that’s speaking to answer this question? The full schedule:
Toby Bloomberg, President Bloomberg Marketing. Let’s look at Toby’s blog. Where is Toby making money from this blog? I don’t see Google ads, I don’t see any ads. It’s just a blog about marketing and though it is well written and interesting, there’s no proof of concept here. They say: “Come away with a high-level understanding of the who-what-where-why of marketing blogs and how they can complement your company’s existing customer communication strategies.” I say: It’s a chance for Bloomberg to pitch it’s own customer communication strategy to seminar attendeees seven hundred bucks lighter on the bottom line.
Next on the agenda is Robert Scoble. I like reading Scoble’s blog, it’s one of my favorite reads in fact, and he seems like a really down to earth guy and I would enjoy hearing his speech. However, besides being an excellent example of the type of person every business would/should want blogging for them, I don’t see Scoble doing much, if any, marketing inside his blog (am I missing some place that he is making money with his blog? No ads, no paid spots, etc, and he’s gone out of the way several times to point out that he does this outside his job at Microsoft). So please tell me where there’s proof of concept marketing advice using blogging here? I see where Scoble can discuss business networking, you bet, but I don’t see where there’s marketing specifically using his blog as an example. I do realize from the subject that he is talking about, however, that he is very skilled and knowledgeable. I’m sure it will be a wonderful speech. They say: “You�ll walk away from this session with techniques you can use to increase your blog�s visibility, as well as, strategies on how to handle media crises.” I say: Walk away knowing that Robert Scoble is the type of blogger you’d like to have representing and evangelizing your company. Next.
Bill Flitter, Chief Marketing Officer, Pheedo, Inc. Let’s examine Pheedo Blog (note that the link on the seminar website is broken pointing to his blog; it’s missing one of the “w” in the “www”). The Pheedo blog is used to pitch the Pheedo’s range of services which offers ad feed management, ad traffic exchange and an ad network, which they use the word “simple” for all these features. This blog was started in February 2004, according to the archives. This is a really good example, actually, of how a company uses a blog to market its own services. They say: “Walk away with a clear understanding of how to incorporate these new tools into your marketing plan, where to best spend your budget, where we are and where it�s all going.” I say: This could be a worthwhile session if only to learn about Pheedo’s products and services, however I bet one could do so much more affordably by “simply” visiting pheedo.com. No offense, Mr. Flitter, but this smells like a speakertorial.
Have to mix in at least one author or two into every conference and Ben McConnell will be there to fill this diet. He represents Church of the Customer. I’ve followed this blog with interest, especially their info on the whole TiVo and Kryptonite lock issues (though originally I saw at Engadget like most other bloggers). Like the first speaker, though, Ben is speaking it seems to promote his own services (speaking being the first one on the list, just look at their website navbar for the prominence). So his marketing strategy to share is how to write a blog to get keynote speaking gigs and promote his own book? That will help a lot of businesses get into blogging, I’m sure. They say: “Learn the fundamentals to launching a blog that supports your marketing goals, tool terminology, key players, strategic uses and the unwritten rules of the blogosphere.” I say: Here’s a better idea for business owners in the Seattle area, just meet Bill for dinner (dutch treat, much cheaper) in Seattle’s Weslake Center food court on the third floor. There’s even a cell number contact to RSVP.
The other two speakers: Dana VanDen Heuvel, the managing directory from BlogSavant [Dana’s blog]. They say: “How smart marketers are using weblogs” I say: How one marketer is using his blog to increase his future speaking engagements and give his opinion on who the smart marketers are out there. Though I’m not willing to pay to see/hear him, I subscribed to Dana’s blog.
Finally, Dave Williams Chief Strategist and Co-Founder, 360i with search engine scoop. They say: “In this session, learn how to develop a blog search optimization strategy for Google, MSN, Yahoo, AOL, as well as other search engines.” I say: Check out Dave’s blog, it’s very poorly optimized for all the major engines. It doesn’t even have titles for the blog entries, just dates. No links to anybody else in the sidebar except for Blogger. Not even any meta tags to describe the pages. This thing looks like it was thrown up in 10 minutes, but he’s been blogging since February 2004. Yowsa!
This event just seems like another turkey conference dressed up to suck money from small business (or large business) owner’s bottom line, not add to it. These are all nice people, I’m sure and probably good at what they do (Scoble is the only one I know for a fact is good at what he does), but IMO they are there to pitch their own products, services (consulting, future other speaking engagements, etc), and of course their own blogs (which some of them aren’t good case studies). The old adage practice what you preach applies here. All of this adds up to the certainity that the people running the event will be making money and the people attending will pick up a few ideas. Almost $700 worth of ideas? You decide. I did and the figures didn’t compute.
I’d like to ask Scoble this serious question: how is a business owner who is already blogging supposed to budget for a Tablet PC if they use their business budget to attend events like this? Sure, if it’s some big business with money to throw away that has zero presence in the blogosphere then there could be some value to be gained here. From my detailed consideration, it just seems to me that this event isn’t designed for small business owners who have budgets, nor those who already have blogs (so why promote it on a blog to other bloggers?). This would be good for an end of the year tax writeoff, but to pay to be pitched to by mostly professional speakers? Thanks, but no thanks.
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From someone who uses a blog to make sales, I think this is way too much money to spend on a seminar on blogging. I think the people and businesses interested in blogging would learn so much more from……you guessed it….to blogs. BTW, that search engine scoop blog is absolutly the worst.
Comment by orange_crush — December 11, 2004 @ 12:29 am PST
The Search Engine Scoop is *not* optimized. It was *in fact* assembled in about 10 minutes. The Search Engine Scoop has never been Dave Williams’ blog. It is unfortunate that link got into his bio. TSES was a test conducted by two 360i employees earlier in the year just to see what the inside of Blogger looked like. It has been occasionally updated by one employee.
That Dave does not maintain a blog of his own is no discredit to him. Nor does it mean blog optimization is new to him or 360i. We have several employees with lots of experience in the blogsphere. As well as being one of the most prominent SEO firms in the country. Dave knows how to optimize a blog. His presentation is packed with cool stuff and has received enthusiastic compliments from Toby Bloomberg, Danny Sullivan, and others.
BTW: I agree with you on the price of admission. $700 is tough in December for anyone. But this conference looks like it is targeted more at senior level marketers than bloggers.
Wayne Pelletier
Interactive Creative Director
360i.com, Inc.
Direct Dial 678.303.5880
Comment by Wayne — December 14, 2004 @ 3:42 pm PST
Hi TDavid –
First, thanks for the kind words you wrote about my Diva Marketing blog.
Second, and more important, thanks for your feedback on the AMA blog workshop. You took significant time to research each speaker and provide specific comments regarding each session. In turn, you’ve created a bit of a buzz around the AMA offices in Chicago. So much so that AMA is taking yet another look at the content of Blogs: Marketing Beyond the Website workshop.
Some background - When we began development of this program in the summer, there were few opportunities for marketers to learn about using blogs as a business tool. The workshop was designed to give marketers, who were unfamiliar or just beginning to explore blogs, an avenue to explore the concept as a marketing strategy, as well as, to provide tactical information.
You’ve reminded us that the program must provide real value to the attendees. And in addition, the collateral material must focus more on the substance of the sessions.
Although it’s a little late in the game to restructure the Seattle workshop, we will reevaluate and use your constructive suggestions, along with the attendees’ feedback, to make the workshops in NYC and Chicago stronger and more responsive to marketers’ needs.
TDavid, AMA would like to extend an invitation to you be our guest at the December 17th workshop. Hope you can join us!
Toby
Volunteer Chair - Blogs: Marketing Beyond the Website
Comment by Toby — December 15, 2004 @ 8:42 pm PST
Hi Toby - Thank you for the generous offer both in public and in private. I also received your invite privately by email and I will respond to that as well. Unfortunately, the window of opportunity in my schedule to attend this event has passed and I will not be able to attend tomorrow. I was seriously considering it up to this post (Dec 10). I’m glad to hear that my analysis of the event made some wheels turn.
I met Robert Scoble last night at the Seattle blogger meetup (Was anybody besides Scoble from this event there? Kristi Heim from the Seattle Times was there) and we talked about the AMA event a little bit. I saw and read your comment while I was there, in fact.
Perhaps I can take a rain check and catch your revised schedule AMA blog marketing event the next time you are in town? We will be at CES in January next month, will you be there? Please let me know and let’s hook up for a meeting and we can discuss blogging, marketing, business and the web
Comment by TDavid — December 16, 2004 @ 11:07 am PST
Hi TDavid -
Very sorry that you’re not able to attend the session tomorrow night. But if this program works and AMA brings it back to the west coast … you’re in dude! I’ll look forward to the time when we can talk abut blogging, marketing, business and the web.
I still maintain that bloggers are the friendliest people…especially after a dialogue is established. Continue your good works.
Best.
Toby
Comment by Toby — December 16, 2004 @ 8:48 pm PST
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