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		<title>By: Anonymoose</title>
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		<author>Anonymoose</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2004 07:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;
    I put an auction on eBay this week. ESPN picked up on it and wrote this
    article:
&lt;p&gt;
    &lt;table width="100%"&gt;
      &lt;tbody&gt;
        &lt;tr vAlign="bottom"&gt;
          &lt;td align="right"&gt;&lt;img src="http://espn.go.com/i/print/espn.gif" border="0" width="151" height="42"&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;/tr&gt;
      &lt;/tbody&gt;
    &lt;/table&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
    &lt;br&gt;
    &lt;font class="date"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Monday, April 26, 2004&lt;br&gt;
    &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font class="headline"&gt;You can't buy patriotism&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
    &lt;hr width="100%" noShade SIZE="1"&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
    &lt;font class="byline"&gt;By Mark Kreidler&lt;br&gt;
    ESPN.com&lt;br&gt;
    &lt;br&gt;
    &lt;/font&gt;You could've missed it entirely. You had to go to Page 6 of the
    growing list of items listed on eBay to find it, past the scads of Pat
    Tillman cards for sale, and the autographed mini-footballs, and the jerseys,
    and the &#38;quot;American Hero&#38;quot; T-shirts. You had to go past the Tillman
    Arizona Cardinals uniform top that was already up to $305, and the Tillman
    signed ball that was at $128.40 and ascending.
&lt;p&gt;
    &lt;table cellSpacing="0" cellPadding="0" align="right" border="0"&gt;
      &lt;tbody&gt;
        &lt;tr&gt;
          &lt;td width="5" rowSpan="2"&gt;&lt;SPACER height="1" width="5" type="block"&gt;
          &lt;/td&gt;
          &lt;td width="195"&gt;&lt;img alt="Pat Tillman" src="http://espn.go.com/media/nfl/2004/0423/photo/a_tillmanuni_i.jpg" vspace="4" border="0" width="195" height="262"&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;/tr&gt;
        &lt;tr&gt;
          &lt;td width="195"&gt;&lt;font face="verdana, arial, geneva" color="#666666" size="1"&gt;&lt;b&gt;In
            the spirit of American capitalism, leave it to money-grubbing
            memorabilia peddlers to cash in on Pat Tillman's ultimate act of
            patriotism.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/table&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
    You had to get past the commerce of the dead, that is, to reach a word to
    the living.
&lt;p&gt;
    It was back there on Page 6, at the bottom of the list of the 271 items that
    a routine &#38;quot;Pat Tillman&#38;quot; search returned at the auction site at
    midday Monday. The item description said, &#38;quot;Pat Tillman: Wake Up &#38;amp;
    Think About It.&#38;quot;
&lt;p&gt;
    And upon opening the file, you were greeted with something extraordinary: An
    open call for people to stop bidding on Tillman items. A plea for people to
    turn away -- nay, to run away at top speed -- from the ghoulish business of
    those wishing to turn a profit off Tillman's death in Afghanistan last
    Thursday.
&lt;p&gt;
    &#38;quot;Many sellers are currently featuring Pat Tillman memorabilia to cash
    in on the death of an American hero,&#38;quot; the &#38;quot;seller&#38;quot; wrote.
    &#38;quot;Think about it.&#38;quot;
&lt;p&gt;
    The author then asked readers to pony up their bids instead for a fund that
    would be donated to the charity of the &#38;quot;winning&#38;quot; bidder's choice
    -- essentially, eBay regulars are asked to fork over their money for
    something they couldn't actually put their hands on and own.
&lt;p&gt;
    Perhaps that's why the item is at the bottom of a pile 271 deep.
&lt;p&gt;
    Understand first that Pat Tillman items were on sale at eBay long before he
    was killed in action on patrol with an Army Rangers unit. Understand that
    just about every athlete of any note has memorabilia related to him or her
    available for auction, be it on eBay or anywhere else.
&lt;p&gt;
    Understand that eBay is a commercial vehicle of the human soul, a conduit
    between whatever it is that people decide they want to ship and whomever it
    is who decides to ask that it be shipped to them.
&lt;p&gt;
    Beyond that, this is America. The profit motive doesn't cease to exist in
    either good times or bad. All those American flags that suddenly appeared in
    doorways and windows and on poles and car antennas after the events of Sept.
    11, 2001 -- what, they materialized out of the collective spirit of the
    country? They were manufactured and sold, and the companies involved made a
    tidy profit. They don't shutter the factories every time the U.S. plunges
    into crisis mode.
&lt;p&gt;
    Still, there was something unnerving about the flood of Tillman items that
    blew into eBay in the hours and days following his death. Some sellers
    sounded as though they were profoundly moved by the tragedy, including one
    who described himself as retired military man and said he would donate half
    the profit from the Tillman item he was hawking to any Tillman-related fund
    he could find. Others were as cool and businesslike as possible, simply
    describing the value of the Tillman autograph or the quality of his NFL
    rookie card.
&lt;p&gt;
    It was only the message at the bottom of Page 6 that pierced all the way
    through.
&lt;p&gt;
    &#38;quot;This auction is to honor Pat Tillman,&#38;quot; the item's
    &#38;quot;description&#38;quot; read. &#38;quot;Please do not bid on items featuring his
    name ...
&lt;p&gt;
    &#38;quot;The winner of this auction must specify to which charity he or she
    would like the final bid amount to go to. We'll consume the listing fees. At
    the end of this auction, you will be responsible for sending us a check or
    money order payable to the charity of your choice. We will then forward the
    funds on to the charitable organization.
&lt;p&gt;
    &#38;quot;When we get a receipt from the charity, we will send it to you. Or you
    could simply make a donation in Pat's name to the charity of your choice and
    skip this auction altogether.&#38;quot;
&lt;p&gt;
    It was a clean wish, one that didn't try to twist itself into some vague
    extrapolation of what Tillman &#38;quot;would have wanted&#38;quot; or any of that
    rot. It was the message that needed to be heard, one that told bidders that
    whatever they thought they might be accomplishing by purchasing Tillman
    memorabilia in the days after his death, they were simultaneously lining the
    pockets of someone brazen enough to want to capitalize on it.
&lt;p&gt;
    &#38;quot;Thank you for coming to your senses and doing the right thing,&#38;quot;
    item No. 271 concluded.
&lt;p&gt;
    If only people would.
&lt;p&gt;
    The leading bid as of Monday afternoon: Eleven cents.
&lt;p&gt;
    &lt;i&gt;Mark Kreidler is a columnist with the Sacramento Bee and a regular
    contributor to ESPN.com&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
    &lt;hr&gt;

    As of Monday night the listing had received&#38;nbsp;12,000+ hits, 72 bids, and
    was at $3850.00

    &lt;hr&gt;

    Then eBay cancelled the auction:
&lt;br&gt;
    &lt;font face="Times New Roman" size="3"&gt;Dear (I prefer to remain anonymous because this isn't about me),&lt;br&gt;
    &lt;br&gt;
    We regret to inform you that your eBay auction:&lt;br&gt;
    &lt;br&gt;
    3674494376 Pat Tillman: Wake Up &#38;amp; Think About It&lt;br&gt;
    &lt;br&gt;
    has been ended. All fees associated with this auction have been credited to
    your account.&lt;br&gt;
    &lt;br&gt;
    The item you have listed does not appear to be consistent with eBay
    guidelines.&lt;br&gt;
    &lt;br&gt;
    We have determined that your item &lt;u&gt;is inappropriate for listing on eBay&lt;/u&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face="Times New Roman" size="5"&gt;(&lt;b&gt;Note: They never really say &lt;i&gt;WHY&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;)&lt;/font&gt;
    &lt;font face="Times New Roman" size="3"&gt;
    &lt;br&gt;
    Recently, the world found out that Pat Tillman gave his life in the service
    of his country.&#38;nbsp; Regardless of your personal belief in this matter, we
    must ask that you refrain from listing auctions of this nature.&#38;nbsp; eBay
    is a business.&#38;nbsp; For many members, it is their sole source of income.&#38;nbsp;
    Out of respect to our community, we must understand that they view listings
    of this nature as a distraction from that professional trading environment.&#38;nbsp;&lt;br&gt;
    &lt;br&gt;
    While we are certain that your auction was posted with only the best of
    intentions, we cannot permit such listings on the site.&#38;nbsp; I hope you
    understand.&#38;nbsp; While you may have seen similar auctions, eBay will review
    listings that are brought to its attention by its worldwide community.&#38;nbsp;
    We will look at the entire listing to determine whether it falls within the
    parameters of our guidelines.&lt;br&gt;
    &lt;br&gt;
    Future auctions listed that fail to meet our listing guidelines will be
    ended early and repeated violations may jeopardize your account status. We
    value you as a member of our community and wish to continue our
    relationship, so we respectfully ask you to refrain from any violations of
    the Listing Policies or User Agreement in the future.&lt;br&gt;
    &lt;br&gt;
    We thank you in advance for your cooperation.&lt;br&gt;
    &lt;br&gt;
    Regards,&lt;br&gt;
    &lt;br&gt;
    Customer Support (Trust and Safety Department)&lt;br&gt;
    eBay Inc&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;

    &lt;hr&gt;

    Yet it's perfectly alright to sell illegal drugs, human body parts, stuffed
    endangered species, toxic waste, and&#38;nbsp;human children? Never mind all of
    the fraud which takes place there every day. Let's go after this instead.

    &lt;hr&gt;

    &lt;p&gt;&#38;quot;Some people may feel it's offensive to sell his (Tillman)
    memorabilia at this point, and if we saw anything offensive or distasteful,
    we'd take it down,&#38;quot; said eBay spokesman Hani Durzy. &#38;quot;But we
    haven't seen anything like that.&#38;quot;&#38;nbsp;&#38;nbsp;&#38;nbsp;&#38;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7298663" target="_blank"&gt;SOURCE.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

    &lt;hr&gt;

    &lt;p&gt;I sell on eBay full time. It is my primary source of income. I'm not
    going to stop over this. The Pat Tillman listing was food for my soul, but I
    need to eat too. Whatever choice you make you can change later if you want
    to. If you want to write eBay and let them know how you feel, or call into a
    local radio station and talk about it, in order to wake up folks in your
    community, that would be a commendable act. I totally understand how this is a subject which gets emotions raging. I'd like to suggest you cool off before writing about this. Just as I don't like it when a
    religious fanatic shows up at my front door shoving their message down my throat, I also realize that shoving my message will not make somebody else swallow it. Instead, perhaps suggest that
    eBay put up a donation box on their website so they can contribute $ to the families of soldiers wounded and killed overseas, fighting terrorism, protecting GreedBay's capitalistic interests (even though they may be communists).&lt;/p&gt;
    &lt;p&gt;I appreciate everybody's thoughts on this matter. When I wrote the
    auction, I was hoping to wake up some folks. That is all. And many persons
    have woken up. I did not expect the auction to get any more hits or bids
    than a bubble gum trading card or an inflatable sheep. I simply felt it was
    a thing which should be done. I received close to 900 emails which were
    positive, and 3 which were sheer hate mail. &lt;br&gt;
   

    &lt;hr&gt;


    &lt;p&gt;Worthy Charitable Organizations&lt;/p&gt;
    &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.anysoldier.us/"&gt;http://www.anysoldier.us/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
    &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.operationuplink.org/"&gt;http://www.operationuplink.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
    &lt;p&gt;To send care packages to the troops overseas; info from an eBay member
    who, with his community, has sent 148 packages over the last 2 years:&lt;/p&gt;
    &lt;p&gt;What is needed is the name of a soldier serving in the middle east. Our
    contact in the 101st was the son of our business partner. Typical items sent
    are juice packs, snack foods, sun glasses, sun screen, paperback
    books...these type of small comfort items. Good luck...it's a worthy cause.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>
    I put an auction on eBay this week. ESPN picked up on it and wrote this<br />
    article:
</p>
<table width="100%">
<tbody>
<tr vAlign="bottom">
<td align="right"><img src="http://espn.go.com/i/print/espn.gif" border="0" width="151" height="42"/></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p>
    <br />
    <font class="date"><b>Monday, April 26, 2004<br />
    </b></font><font class="headline">You can&#8217;t buy patriotism</font>
</p>
<hr width="100%" noShade SIZE="1"/>
<p>
    <font class="byline">By Mark Kreidler<br />
    ESPN.com</p>
<p>    </font>You could&#8217;ve missed it entirely. You had to go to Page 6 of the<br />
    growing list of items listed on eBay to find it, past the scads of Pat<br />
    Tillman cards for sale, and the autographed mini-footballs, and the jerseys,<br />
    and the &amp;quot;American Hero&amp;quot; T-shirts. You had to go past the Tillman<br />
    Arizona Cardinals uniform top that was already up to $305, and the Tillman<br />
    signed ball that was at $128.40 and ascending.
</p>
<table cellSpacing="0" cellPadding="0" align="right" border="0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td width="5" rowSpan="2"><spacer height="1" width="5" type="block"><br />
          </spacer></td>
<td width="195"><img alt="Pat Tillman" src="http://espn.go.com/media/nfl/2004/0423/photo/a_tillmanuni_i.jpg" vspace="4" border="0" width="195" height="262"/></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="195"><font face="verdana, arial, geneva" color="#666666" size="1"><b>In<br />
            the spirit of American capitalism, leave it to money-grubbing<br />
            memorabilia peddlers to cash in on Pat Tillman&#8217;s ultimate act of<br />
            patriotism.</b></font></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p>
    You had to get past the commerce of the dead, that is, to reach a word to<br />
    the living.
</p>
<p>
    It was back there on Page 6, at the bottom of the list of the 271 items that<br />
    a routine &amp;quot;Pat Tillman&amp;quot; search returned at the auction site at<br />
    midday Monday. The item description said, &amp;quot;Pat Tillman: Wake Up &amp;amp;<br />
    Think About It.&amp;quot;
</p>
<p>
    And upon opening the file, you were greeted with something extraordinary: An<br />
    open call for people to stop bidding on Tillman items. A plea for people to<br />
    turn away &#8212; nay, to run away at top speed &#8212; from the ghoulish business of<br />
    those wishing to turn a profit off Tillman&#8217;s death in Afghanistan last<br />
    Thursday.
</p>
<p>
    &amp;quot;Many sellers are currently featuring Pat Tillman memorabilia to cash<br />
    in on the death of an American hero,&amp;quot; the &amp;quot;seller&amp;quot; wrote.<br />
    &amp;quot;Think about it.&amp;quot;
</p>
<p>
    The author then asked readers to pony up their bids instead for a fund that<br />
    would be donated to the charity of the &amp;quot;winning&amp;quot; bidder&#8217;s choice<br />
    &#8212; essentially, eBay regulars are asked to fork over their money for<br />
    something they couldn&#8217;t actually put their hands on and own.
</p>
<p>
    Perhaps that&#8217;s why the item is at the bottom of a pile 271 deep.
</p>
<p>
    Understand first that Pat Tillman items were on sale at eBay long before he<br />
    was killed in action on patrol with an Army Rangers unit. Understand that<br />
    just about every athlete of any note has memorabilia related to him or her<br />
    available for auction, be it on eBay or anywhere else.
</p>
<p>
    Understand that eBay is a commercial vehicle of the human soul, a conduit<br />
    between whatever it is that people decide they want to ship and whomever it<br />
    is who decides to ask that it be shipped to them.
</p>
<p>
    Beyond that, this is America. The profit motive doesn&#8217;t cease to exist in<br />
    either good times or bad. All those American flags that suddenly appeared in<br />
    doorways and windows and on poles and car antennas after the events of Sept.<br />
    11, 2001 &#8212; what, they materialized out of the collective spirit of the<br />
    country? They were manufactured and sold, and the companies involved made a<br />
    tidy profit. They don&#8217;t shutter the factories every time the U.S. plunges<br />
    into crisis mode.
</p>
<p>
    Still, there was something unnerving about the flood of Tillman items that<br />
    blew into eBay in the hours and days following his death. Some sellers<br />
    sounded as though they were profoundly moved by the tragedy, including one<br />
    who described himself as retired military man and said he would donate half<br />
    the profit from the Tillman item he was hawking to any Tillman-related fund<br />
    he could find. Others were as cool and businesslike as possible, simply<br />
    describing the value of the Tillman autograph or the quality of his NFL<br />
    rookie card.
</p>
<p>
    It was only the message at the bottom of Page 6 that pierced all the way<br />
    through.
</p>
<p>
    &amp;quot;This auction is to honor Pat Tillman,&amp;quot; the item&#8217;s<br />
    &amp;quot;description&amp;quot; read. &amp;quot;Please do not bid on items featuring his<br />
    name &#8230;
</p>
<p>
    &amp;quot;The winner of this auction must specify to which charity he or she<br />
    would like the final bid amount to go to. We&#8217;ll consume the listing fees. At<br />
    the end of this auction, you will be responsible for sending us a check or<br />
    money order payable to the charity of your choice. We will then forward the<br />
    funds on to the charitable organization.
</p>
<p>
    &amp;quot;When we get a receipt from the charity, we will send it to you. Or you<br />
    could simply make a donation in Pat&#8217;s name to the charity of your choice and<br />
    skip this auction altogether.&amp;quot;
</p>
<p>
    It was a clean wish, one that didn&#8217;t try to twist itself into some vague<br />
    extrapolation of what Tillman &amp;quot;would have wanted&amp;quot; or any of that<br />
    rot. It was the message that needed to be heard, one that told bidders that<br />
    whatever they thought they might be accomplishing by purchasing Tillman<br />
    memorabilia in the days after his death, they were simultaneously lining the<br />
    pockets of someone brazen enough to want to capitalize on it.
</p>
<p>
    &amp;quot;Thank you for coming to your senses and doing the right thing,&amp;quot;<br />
    item No. 271 concluded.
</p>
<p>
    If only people would.
</p>
<p>
    The leading bid as of Monday afternoon: Eleven cents.
</p>
<p>
    <i>Mark Kreidler is a columnist with the Sacramento Bee and a regular<br />
    contributor to ESPN.com</i>
</p>
<hr />
<p>    As of Monday night the listing had received&amp;nbsp;12,000+ hits, 72 bids, and<br />
    was at $3850.00</p>
<hr />
<p>    Then eBay cancelled the auction:<br />
<br />
    <font face="Times New Roman" size="3">Dear (I prefer to remain anonymous because this isn&#8217;t about me),</p>
<p>    We regret to inform you that your eBay auction:</p>
<p>    3674494376 Pat Tillman: Wake Up &amp;amp; Think About It</p>
<p>    has been ended. All fees associated with this auction have been credited to<br />
    your account.</p>
<p>    The item you have listed does not appear to be consistent with eBay<br />
    guidelines.</p>
<p>    We have determined that your item <u>is inappropriate for listing on eBay</u>.<br /></font><font face="Times New Roman" size="5">(<b>Note: They never really say <i>WHY</i>.</b>)</font><br />
    <font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><br />
    <br />
    Recently, the world found out that Pat Tillman gave his life in the service<br />
    of his country.&amp;nbsp; Regardless of your personal belief in this matter, we<br />
    must ask that you refrain from listing auctions of this nature.&amp;nbsp; eBay<br />
    is a business.&amp;nbsp; For many members, it is their sole source of income.&amp;nbsp;<br />
    Out of respect to our community, we must understand that they view listings<br />
    of this nature as a distraction from that professional trading environment.&amp;nbsp;</p>
<p>    While we are certain that your auction was posted with only the best of<br />
    intentions, we cannot permit such listings on the site.&amp;nbsp; I hope you<br />
    understand.&amp;nbsp; While you may have seen similar auctions, eBay will review<br />
    listings that are brought to its attention by its worldwide community.&amp;nbsp;<br />
    We will look at the entire listing to determine whether it falls within the<br />
    parameters of our guidelines.</p>
<p>    Future auctions listed that fail to meet our listing guidelines will be<br />
    ended early and repeated violations may jeopardize your account status. We<br />
    value you as a member of our community and wish to continue our<br />
    relationship, so we respectfully ask you to refrain from any violations of<br />
    the Listing Policies or User Agreement in the future.</p>
<p>    We thank you in advance for your cooperation.</p>
<p>    Regards,</p>
<p>    Customer Support (Trust and Safety Department)<br />
    eBay Inc</font></p>
<hr />
<p>    Yet it&#8217;s perfectly alright to sell illegal drugs, human body parts, stuffed<br />
    endangered species, toxic waste, and&amp;nbsp;human children? Never mind all of<br />
    the fraud which takes place there every day. Let&#8217;s go after this instead.</p>
<hr />
<p>&amp;quot;Some people may feel it&#8217;s offensive to sell his (Tillman)<br />
    memorabilia at this point, and if we saw anything offensive or distasteful,<br />
    we&#8217;d take it down,&amp;quot; said eBay spokesman Hani Durzy. &amp;quot;But we<br />
    haven&#8217;t seen anything like that.&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; <a href="http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7298663" target="_blank">SOURCE.</a></p>
<hr />
<p>I sell on eBay full time. It is my primary source of income. I&#8217;m not<br />
    going to stop over this. The Pat Tillman listing was food for my soul, but I<br />
    need to eat too. Whatever choice you make you can change later if you want<br />
    to. If you want to write eBay and let them know how you feel, or call into a<br />
    local radio station and talk about it, in order to wake up folks in your<br />
    community, that would be a commendable act. I totally understand how this is a subject which gets emotions raging. I&#8217;d like to suggest you cool off before writing about this. Just as I don&#8217;t like it when a<br />
    religious fanatic shows up at my front door shoving their message down my throat, I also realize that shoving my message will not make somebody else swallow it. Instead, perhaps suggest that<br />
    eBay put up a donation box on their website so they can contribute $ to the families of soldiers wounded and killed overseas, fighting terrorism, protecting GreedBay&#8217;s capitalistic interests (even though they may be communists).</p>
<p>I appreciate everybody&#8217;s thoughts on this matter. When I wrote the<br />
    auction, I was hoping to wake up some folks. That is all. And many persons<br />
    have woken up. I did not expect the auction to get any more hits or bids<br />
    than a bubble gum trading card or an inflatable sheep. I simply felt it was<br />
    a thing which should be done. I received close to 900 emails which were<br />
    positive, and 3 which were sheer hate mail. </p>
<hr />
<p>Worthy Charitable Organizations</p>
<p><a href="http://www.anysoldier.us/">http://www.anysoldier.us/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.operationuplink.org/">http://www.operationuplink.org/</a></p>
<p>To send care packages to the troops overseas; info from an eBay member<br />
    who, with his community, has sent 148 packages over the last 2 years:</p>
<p>What is needed is the name of a soldier serving in the middle east. Our<br />
    contact in the 101st was the son of our business partner. Typical items sent<br />
    are juice packs, snack foods, sun glasses, sun screen, paperback<br />
    books&#8230;these type of small comfort items. Good luck&#8230;it&#8217;s a worthy cause.</p>
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